After 4 yrs of the 5" flat stick that came with my Hurst Short Throw shifter, which I felt was too short, I finally replaced it with a 8" round stick which I believe Hurst only recently made available. Prior to the 8" stick being available the only other replacement stick was a 10" flat stick which I felt would be much too high. The 8"stick is perfect. I highly recommend it. The shifts are smoother (it noticeably reduced the notchiness) and more pronounced. Really gives it that ole muscle car shift feel. Reminds me exactly of what the shifter in my '66 GTO felt like (it's like riding a bike ...you never forget ) LOVE IT !!! 69 outside the car, 18 behind the wheel every time