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Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

LMAO.........the car is a pig. The only thing saving it is the new horsepower. Get mad if you want but without this new increased horsepower you all would be crying. 3900 is a pig for a Pony car. Just face it.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU! Reality sucks, and apparently, that's what I'm having a problem accepting.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I declare this thread "FAIL" in every sense of the word. A perfect example of perception ruling reality...

If some of you are so deluded to think that weight is the only factor...and therefore it's a poorly handling pig because of it, then fine...enjoy your baseless opinion. I'm done.


And thank you for answering my questions, Rated Z. BUT...
#1...this car handles as well as many lighter sports cars out there...forgive me if I doubt you actually drove it around the corners you plan to do with the real car. The car is on rails.

#2...that IRS setup in the cobra Mustang was a joke, Rated Z, not to mention that the car did not comply to current saftey standards.

And #3...you CANNOT remove anywhere NEAR 500lbs and still daily-drive it. The saftey is built into the body...the structure, the IRS is bullet-proof, the engine is a "heavy" V8, and the transmission is heavier than others to handle it's outrageous power. The brakes are heavier than a standard cars because they can stop the car in a mere 104 FEET from 60mph...that's approaching supercar territory on factory brake pads and rotors. You CANNOT remove the radio, because it controls some functions of the car, and by removing the AC compressor, fluid and lines, you might save 75 lbs. You could probably take the front and rear impact bars off of the car...there's some 40-50lbs a piece, and you can replace the mufflers for another 10 lbs of weight per resonator. You can replace the wheels and rims with 18" skinny-spokes...maybe saving another 20 lbs total...

So...are you really going to put in all this effort just to add 25hp worth of performance and a negligible handling improvement?



Look, I appreciate where you're coming from...weight is bad, and this car has more than its share of it. But guess what? We can't do anything about it. There's no "weight compartment" on the car that you can just empty out. It's all built in to provide you with class-leading saftey, style, performance, and VALUE.

I reccomend you call Pedders to modify the suspension, install an intake and a tune, and you'll accomplish MORE than your performance goals for far less $$ and headaches.

Otherwise, you're just trying to catch the wind......

Ok, to use your terminology, your post is a complete FAIL. That's fine that the IRS on the '03-'04 Cobra was a complete joke, but a 3900 lb "pony car" that weighs as much as a 1971 Caprice is the punch-line.

Originally Posted by MrIcky

In the OP's defense, I can't believe how quickly some of you get offended by the slightest comment. It's like you've somehow directly linked your personal ego's to your car. The OP doesn't appear to be a ricer owner by his avatar message. His concern is legit and others have brought it up- they just didn't use the word "pig" so no one cried.

Also there's a lot of confusion on the difference between "grip" and "handling".

But to the OP, 500lbs is alot- you would struggle to hit that. I'd just do the wheels and tires and the mufflers (because I'd do those anyway).

Thanks for the defense. Okay, reviewing everything, maybe 500 lbs is too much, and I did view Chevy's website, and the 1SS was rated at 3850 lbs. Maybe it would be possible to cut...300 lbs?

And also, thanks for noticing I'm not a ricer. Apparently, my signature didn't quite give that away. That's great that some of these people are "stuck on GM" or whatever, but I'm not. I enjoy a variety of performance machines, and as long as it's either RWD or AWD, I'm there. I wouldn't drag-race an STi, the same as I wouldn't rally a Camaro. Apparently, it's a mortal sin on this forum to have a respect and admiration for cars other than those manufactured by GM or with something other than a RWD drivetrain.

Originally Posted by jmcbeth

Dan,

I have driven it on back roads and I love the way it handles. We took all back roads when driving it home from Tom Henry. I would say it handles as well as my wife's BMW Z4 for the type of driving that I do. However, I probably don't drive it as aggressively as you might on back roads. I have no doubt that the Z4 would fair better in curves at high speed. However, the Camaro is MUCH more comfortable and gets much more attention.

It certainly handles way better than my 69 Zs, which weigh in at 3,500 lbs. The reasons are probably obvious: 21st century suspension, better steering, turning radius, etc.

I have also been thinking about your question and I am having a very hard time seeing how you can reasonably eliminate 450 lbs from this car.

Unfortunately, I may not make the meeting on the 26th.

Okay, maybe I was "jumping ahead of myself" with wanting to cut 450 lbs out of this car. I guess I'd just like something that I can lighten a tad.

Someone asked, "What sort of power/weight ratio are you looking to achieve?" I'd like to whittle it down to around 7.8 pounds for every horse. I'm sure I'm going to get more than a few "get a supercharger" responses, and while I can do that, a supercharger isn't going to lower the weight or help me achieve better handling.