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Thanks everybody that is whyi love this forum you can learn anything just ask. and you will find out thegood bad and ugly . so anyway all this info has led to more questions. i have felt some short throws in those "other cars" that have a good positive lock engagement when put into a gear and some that dont. I prefer to feel the shift if that make any sense. which of these shifters listed above has a good positive engagement on the shifts. And i do not have a lift can any of these be installed on the ground.
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