[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by JProberts

I had the rear sub-frame inserts installed yesterday by TandT and Tim and crew did a stand-up job at a reasonable price again and had my car ready for me after I played a round of golf....note to all golfers - do not "F" with P.B. Dye course unless you are man enough to take a beating and not quit golf!!!

Back to the car, Pete was correct in that the sub-frame inserts made a huge difference in the cars handling and feel over the rough roads. The rear of the car feels more like the front of the car now, no rear end step out on the nasty bumps on the twisties in Rock creek park on the way to work. Car stayed planted instead of hopping too one side or the other when taking those curves today.

Had a chance to get on it on the highway a bit on the way home from TandT and of course some douche bag on acell phone glids across the lanes right in front of me and I had to break hard and switch lanes real quick and it was quite surprising how good the car felt during hard breaking, and when I switched lanes the car moved like it was on rails! No lean either way and the car just seems so much more responsive now, especially the rear end after the sub fram inserts...it was improved with just the front sway bar but the handling and ride is 10x better after the sub-frame inserts.

To sum it up the Pedders rear sub-frame inserts, front sway bar and end links got my car to where I wanted it to be: improved handling, less roll or lean on highways and on twisties, more responsive and planted during spirited driving on streets and better ride quality on bumpy roads. At this point I don't really feel like the car needs anything else to improve the suspension for my driving desires.

Yeah I could add the rear sway also but what will that add to my car for daily driving needs? Now if Pete decides to send me the rear sway bar and end links for free I wouldn't turn it down but in all honesty I can say that the set-up I have now got me what I wanted and I am 100% satisfied.

Thanks Pete for taking the time and putting forth the efforts to prove the points that you made about your products. Everything you suggested seems right on point so far and I cannot argue with the results of adding the front sway bar only and the rear sub-frame inserts. I will let you know if I notice anything different after driving it for an extended time but at this point I would have to give you and Pedders a big

Thanks JP

JP,

I highly recommend Pedders street friendly urethane golf shoe inserts. We have a variety of wedge angles to adjust your stance and improve you swing.

The lowest hanging fruit for ANY Camaro owner, the very first mod that EVERY Camaro owner should make is to install Pedders EP1200 Sub-Frame Inserts. Rear end step out unsettles the car and make it less predictable. All a top flight professional drivers ever asks for is stability and predictability. The first foundational step to that in a 5th Gen Camaro is installing EP1200s.

Pete was correct in that the sub-frame inserts made a huge difference in the cars handling and feel over the rough roads. The rear of the car feels more like the front of the car now, no rear end step out on the nasty bumps on the twisties in Rock creek park on the way to work. Car stayed planted instead of hopping too one side or the other when taking those curves today.

Please let my wife and three daughters know that I was right about this or anything else for that matter.

We are in business to sell suspension parts for late model American Muscle. I would love to tell everyone on the Camaro forum you need thousands of dollars of Pedders bits to make your Camaro even better than it was when you drove it off the showroom floor. The truth of the matter is you don't. A larger front bar and sub-frame inserts transform the car. Please excuse the use of that word, but they do transform the car. Add the inserts for the radius bushes and the car is next to perfect for 80 to 90% of Camaro owners. There are a hard core group of performance drivers that will benefit from more suspension modifications and we have the bits they need at Pedders for them.

The point of my involvement in this thread was to prove what we already knew to the people that count most -- Camaro5 Forum Members. On a very small budget you can TRANSFORM your Camaro and maintain 100% of your OEM ride quality. I want to thank JP (who has been confusing me with his initials as they are the same as my screen name) for his accurate and candid posts. How accurate are they? I could have written them myself and would not have felt the need to change a word compared to his. JP's comments have been dead nuts spot on accurate showing he is aware of what his Camaro was doing and how the parts that were added changed the driving experience. So here it is --

Thank You Jean Pierre. Thank you for trusting T and T and Pedders. We appreciate your business. Welcome to the Pedders Nation!