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Rogan · 10-13-2011, 08:49 AM

Which specs should I be looking at?

SC2150 · 10-13-2011, 10:48 AM

A true stalled converter will not allow for proper engine braking and is not reccomended for road racing. It is a acceleration aid/mod. That said we can build you a tougher version of the stock unit that will work well as far as durability on the course.

Pro Stock John · 10-13-2011, 12:27 PM

Sounds like a bad idea.

Also seems to me if someone is RR'ing an auto car, you'd maybe go and get a custom tune that modifies the downshifts. Know what I mean? I can explain if you like.

SGOS252382 · 10-13-2011, 04:01 PM

Higher stall and road course don't go together. It would just make it more difficult for you to control the power (rpms). That would cause all kinds of issues on a road course.

You could do it, but it would be counter productive.

Rogan · 10-13-2011, 04:16 PM

Not the expert on converters- my first Muscle car in Automatic.
So make the stock one stronger. I was looking for something that would keep her in a better RPM range. Is that all done in the tune?

SC2150 · 10-13-2011, 04:38 PM

Tune will do a ton for the road coarse. PM Phil at Tampa Tuning, one of the better FL based for the A6 trans tuning. You will be impressed.

L99CAMA2011 · 10-13-2011, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Sounds like a bad idea.

Also seems to me if someone is RR'ing an auto car, you'd maybe go and get a custom tune that modifies the downshifts. Know what I mean? I can explain if you like.

Hmmm , my L99 downshifts very well and quickly. Strange how many complain that tapshift isn't fast enough. I did as well until about 4000 miles after hard break in. Now it shifts very good up or down.

L99CAMA2011 · 10-13-2011, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogan

Not the expert on converters- my first Muscle car in Automatic.
So make the stock one stronger. I was looking for something that would keep her in a better RPM range. Is that all done in the tune?

I am also changing my rear end to maybe a 3.70 when Lingenfelter get the gears in. I realize 2nd gear usually gives me a shift denied message when entering certain corners where 3rd gear is a little too high. With the new gears, 3rd will be the new 2nd.

Pro Stock John · 10-17-2011, 12:07 PM

To add, when I commented about modifying the downshifts, I meant controlling them not speeding them up.

I wouldn't do a bigger converter, because it will (a) generate more heat, (b) when the car downshifts you have more potential to lose traction, and (c) more slippage.

I'm thinking of those times when a car want to downshift two gears for example, I thought some auto trans guys will modify the shift tables so that they car will downshift less... Know what I mean?

JDP Motorsports · 10-18-2011, 04:48 PM

I would suggest keeping the stock converter in it. You can switch to an LS3 diff 3.45 gears or get the Lingenfelter 3.70 gears along with getting the trans tuned by a good local tuner. Auto's generally don't do well RR as they generate a lot of heat but we've been playing with a few at the road course and the factory converters are handling the job without any issues. I do suggest changing the fluid every 10-15K however if you're doing a lot of events. Good luck and have fun!

Kind regards,

Jordan Priestley
888.308.6007

SC2150 · 10-18-2011, 06:53 PM

Good advice on the diff.....didn't even think of that Jordan. Probably the best mod you could do along w/the trans tune.

Rogan · 10-18-2011, 07:08 PM

Doing a tune soon.

L99CAMA2011 · 10-18-2011, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports

I would suggest keeping the stock converter in it. You can switch to an LS3 diff 3.45 gears or get the Lingenfelter 3.70 gears along with getting the trans tuned by a good local tuner. Auto's generally don't do well RR as they generate a lot of heat but we've been playing with a few at the road course and the factory converters are handling the job without any issues. I do suggest changing the fluid every 10-15K however if you're doing a lot of events. Good luck and have fun!

Kind regards,

Jordan Priestley
888.308.6007

This is why I advised an ADM tranny cooler along with changing the tranny fluid frequently. I am also upgrading my radiator.

JDP Motorsports · 10-19-2011, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC2150

Good advice on the diff.....didn't even think of that Jordan. Probably the best mod you could do along w/the trans tune.

It makes a substantial difference going from 3.23 to 3.45 and you're still utilizing factory gears which have proven reliable for RR applications.

Quote:

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

This is why I advised an ADM tranny cooler along with changing the tranny fluid frequently. I am also upgrading my radiator.

That is good advice!

10-13-2011, 08:49 AM	#1
Rogan No Pain No Gain Drives: Yellow 5th Gen 2SS RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: GA Posts: 1,519	Stall Converter for Road Course Which specs should I be looking at? __________________ 2010 2SS/RS/L99 - Headers/CAI/SWAYs/CoilOvers/Tune/Steel Braided Brake Lines/Frozen Slotted Rotors

10-13-2011, 12:27 PM	#3
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,221	Sounds like a bad idea. Also seems to me if someone is RR'ing an auto car, you'd maybe go and get a custom tune that modifies the downshifts. Know what I mean? I can explain if you like. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

10-13-2011, 04:16 PM	#5
Rogan No Pain No Gain Drives: Yellow 5th Gen 2SS RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: GA Posts: 1,519	Not the expert on converters- my first Muscle car in Automatic. So make the stock one stronger. I was looking for something that would keep her in a better RPM range. Is that all done in the tune? __________________ 2010 2SS/RS/L99 - Headers/CAI/SWAYs/CoilOvers/Tune/Steel Braided Brake Lines/Frozen Slotted Rotors

10-17-2011, 12:07 PM	#9
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,221	To add, when I commented about modifying the downshifts, I meant controlling them not speeding them up. I wouldn't do a bigger converter, because it will (a) generate more heat, (b) when the car downshifts you have more potential to lose traction, and (c) more slippage. I'm thinking of those times when a car want to downshift two gears for example, I thought some auto trans guys will modify the shift tables so that they car will downshift less... Know what I mean? __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

10-18-2011, 07:08 PM	#12
Rogan No Pain No Gain Drives: Yellow 5th Gen 2SS RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: GA Posts: 1,519	Doing a tune soon. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS/L99 - Headers/CAI/SWAYs/CoilOvers/Tune/Steel Braided Brake Lines/Frozen Slotted Rotors

10-13-2011, 10:48 AM	#2
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	A true stalled converter will not allow for proper engine braking and is not reccomended for road racing. It is a acceleration aid/mod. That said we can build you a tougher version of the stock unit that will work well as far as durability on the course.

10-13-2011, 04:01 PM	#4
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	Higher stall and road course don't go together. It would just make it more difficult for you to control the power (rpms). That would cause all kinds of issues on a road course. You could do it, but it would be counter productive.

10-13-2011, 04:38 PM	#6
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Tune will do a ton for the road coarse. PM Phil at Tampa Tuning, one of the better FL based for the A6 trans tuning. You will be impressed.

10-18-2011, 04:48 PM	#10
JDP Motorsports Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/ 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sandy, Utah Posts: 3,256	I would suggest keeping the stock converter in it. You can switch to an LS3 diff 3.45 gears or get the Lingenfelter 3.70 gears along with getting the trans tuned by a good local tuner. Auto's generally don't do well RR as they generate a lot of heat but we've been playing with a few at the road course and the factory converters are handling the job without any issues. I do suggest changing the fluid every 10-15K however if you're doing a lot of events. Good luck and have fun! Kind regards, Jordan Priestley 888.308.6007

10-18-2011, 06:53 PM	#11
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Good advice on the diff.....didn't even think of that Jordan. Probably the best mod you could do along w/the trans tune.

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