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Sven59 · 09-29-2014, 10:30 PM

For more reading pleasure! I am kind of partial to the ZL1, but it's brother is rewriting history. Now what was that rumor of a new Challenger?

http://www.torquenews.com/1083/2015-...ack-comparison

jessrayo · 09-29-2014, 11:17 PM

Nice, another pick for the ZL1.

Red Jewel RS · 09-30-2014, 01:00 AM

Awesome cars!!

CRTZL1 · 09-30-2014, 02:03 AM

Nice read! You would have to be nuts to take a Z/28 over a ZL1.....unless it was strictly a track toy.. even then I'm sure BIG brother Z is right there with little bro.......

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Z/28Dan · 09-30-2014, 07:49 AM

I haven't driven a Z/28 yet, but this article sums it up pretty well. These siblings make a fantastic pair and I want to own both of them!

Oh, and throw in a COPO while I'm dreaming...

Admiral Ballsy · 09-30-2014, 01:51 PM

As a track car, the Z28 is phenomenal. Car and Driver got it around VIR faster than all but nine other cars in their history of doing the event. Faster than any Corvette except the ZR1 with the track package (Cup tires).

Having said that, IMO it's a little bit like having a 9-second Honda Civic; it's awfully impressive, but a fair amount of the 'shock and awe' is that they did it with something not really designed for that application.

Also, tires. I'd like to see ZL1 or CTS-V times with Trofeos or Sport Cups. I know they're 'stock OEM', but...UTG 60?

I like the Z28. I can't think of any realistically likely situation where I'd pick one over a ZL1.

lbls1 · 09-30-2014, 02:13 PM

Nice. Each Camaro is a winner in its own way. There are no losers. The 1/LE could be the best bang for the buck Camaro in terms of handling, with the Z/28 being the ultimate handling Camaro, and the ZL as being the best integrated Camaro.

jessrayo · 09-30-2014, 02:40 PM

The thing about all of these magazine tests is that they have to run the car completely stock. That is fine but almost no one I know that is a regular at a racing venue has left their car completely stock. There are a few but the vast majority make the easy mods that will show gains at the track. Honestly the Z/28 is delivered from GM in a package that is not easily improved, it already has a CAI, racing brakes and racing tires. The engine is going to take some work to make it any faster, headers is probably the easiest mod and the gains are relatively small. ZL1 on the other hand makes great gains with a set of roadracing tires and the engine gains a lot of power with a few simple mods. I put on racing pads, braided lines and racing brake fluid and the ZL1 stops as good as the racing tires can hold. If you get the calipers, rotors and pads to stop the car at the limits of the tires they cant get any better. ZL1 will heat crack the stock rotors but they still are completely fade free with racing pads. My point is the stock ZL1 will not run with the stock Z/28 but with a couple thousand the ZL1 gets a bunch faster... finding where to improve the Z/28 will not be as easy.

hognutz · 09-30-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

The thing about all of these magazine tests is that they have to run the car completely stock. That is fine but almost no one I know that is a regular at a racing venue has left their car completely stock. There are a few but the vast majority make the easy mods that will show gains at the track. Honestly the Z/28 is delivered from GM in a package that is not easily improved, it already has a CAI, racing brakes and racing tires. The engine is going to take some work to make it any faster, headers is probably the easiest mod and the gains are relatively small. ZL1 on the other hand makes great gains with a set of roadracing tires and the engine gains a lot of power with a few simple mods. I put on racing pads, braided lines and racing brake fluid and the ZL1 stops as good as the racing tires can hold. If you get the calipers, rotors and pads to stop the car at the limits of the tires they cant get any better. ZL1 will heat crack the stock rotors but they still are completely fade free with racing pads. My point is the stock ZL1 will not run with the stock Z/28 but with a couple thousand the ZL1 gets a bunch faster... finding where to improve the Z/28 will not be as easy.

I think the Z28 would mod easy.

I have had an LS7 before. the Z28 with ported heads, cam, longtubes would gain 100-120whp.

I bet it would lap very fast and be really fast in a strait line if the rear diffs and shafts would hold up.

the thing that sucks is you already paid 75k for the car and I am not sure how the rest of the car would hold up.

In my mind that car would be scary fast around a track if the reliablity did not fall apart.

nice thing about the Zl1 is how far you can go before you need to upgrade other suporting parts. @650whp the car is still pretty rock solid. I am not sure the Z28 would be.

jessrayo · 09-30-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

I think the Z28 would mod easy.

I have had an LS7 before. the Z28 with ported heads, cam, longtubes would gain 100-120whp.

I bet it would lap very fast and be really fast in a strait line if the rear diffs and shafts would hold up.

the thing that sucks is you already paid 75k for the car and I am not sure how the rest of the car would hold up.

In my mind that car would be scary fast around a track if the reliablity did not fall apart.

nice thing about the Zl1 is how far you can go before you need to upgrade other suporting parts. @650whp the car is still pretty rock solid. I am not sure the Z28 would be.

If you think porting a set of heads and installing a cam and headers is easy, then yeah, it isn't too hard to get another 100 horses out of a Z/28....but compare it to changing one pulley and an air intake on the ZL1 for the same gain and it clearly is more complicated...and more expensive.

CRTZL1 · 09-30-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

My point is the stock ZL1 will not run with the stock Z/28 but with a couple thousand the ZL1 gets a bunch faster... finding where to improve the Z/28 will not be as easy.

Nurburgring.....

Z/28 - 7:37.40
ZL1 - 7:41.27

I think it runs just fine with it. Less then 4 seconds fine!

96MrBass · 09-30-2014, 06:20 PM

And supercharge next year so it can beat the hell out of the cat.

JackalopeZL1 · 09-30-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CRTZL1

Nurburgring.....

Z/28 - 7:37.40
ZL1 - 7:41.27

I think it runs just fine with it. Less then 4 seconds fine!

+1..... that sure seems like running with it.. As well as 1.3 seconds different at laguna seca..

09-29-2014, 10:30 PM	#1
Sven59 HAMMER PILOT Drives: 13 ZL1#182, 85 CJ7, 16 Silverado Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 4,387	Z/28 VS. ZL1 Torque News For more reading pleasure! I am kind of partial to the ZL1, but it's brother is rewriting history. Now what was that rumor of a new Challenger? http://www.torquenews.com/1083/2015-...ack-comparison __________________ "DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN?"

09-29-2014, 11:17 PM	#2
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	Nice, another pick for the ZL1. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

09-30-2014, 07:49 AM	#5
Z/28Dan Drives: 2023 1SS 1LE Vivid Orange Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 2,678 View My Garage	I haven't driven a Z/28 yet, but this article sums it up pretty well. These siblings make a fantastic pair and I want to own both of them! Oh, and throw in a COPO while I'm dreaming... __________________ There are only so many days in your lifetime. So get out and drive your Camaro... Dan

09-30-2014, 02:13 PM	#7
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,071	Nice. Each Camaro is a winner in its own way. There are no losers. The 1/LE could be the best bang for the buck Camaro in terms of handling, with the Z/28 being the ultimate handling Camaro, and the ZL as being the best integrated Camaro. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic* '25 Silverado 1500 High Country 6.2L

09-30-2014, 02:40 PM	#8
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	The thing about all of these magazine tests is that they have to run the car completely stock. That is fine but almost no one I know that is a regular at a racing venue has left their car completely stock. There are a few but the vast majority make the easy mods that will show gains at the track. Honestly the Z/28 is delivered from GM in a package that is not easily improved, it already has a CAI, racing brakes and racing tires. The engine is going to take some work to make it any faster, headers is probably the easiest mod and the gains are relatively small. ZL1 on the other hand makes great gains with a set of roadracing tires and the engine gains a lot of power with a few simple mods. I put on racing pads, braided lines and racing brake fluid and the ZL1 stops as good as the racing tires can hold. If you get the calipers, rotors and pads to stop the car at the limits of the tires they cant get any better. ZL1 will heat crack the stock rotors but they still are completely fade free with racing pads. My point is the stock ZL1 will not run with the stock Z/28 but with a couple thousand the ZL1 gets a bunch faster... finding where to improve the Z/28 will not be as easy. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

09-30-2014, 01:00 AM	#3
Red Jewel RS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 891 View My Garage	Awesome cars!!

09-30-2014, 02:03 AM	#4
CRTZL1 Banned Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: N.Y. Posts: 1,545	Nice read! You would have to be nuts to take a Z/28 over a ZL1.....unless it was strictly a track toy.. even then I'm sure BIG brother Z is right there with little bro....... Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

09-30-2014, 01:51 PM	#6
Admiral Ballsy Drives: a soft bargain Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Central IN Posts: 81	As a track car, the Z28 is phenomenal. Car and Driver got it around VIR faster than all but nine other cars in their history of doing the event. Faster than any Corvette except the ZR1 with the track package (Cup tires). Having said that, IMO it's a little bit like having a 9-second Honda Civic; it's awfully impressive, but a fair amount of the 'shock and awe' is that they did it with something not really designed for that application. Also, tires. I'd like to see ZL1 or CTS-V times with Trofeos or Sport Cups. I know they're 'stock OEM', but...UTG 60? I like the Z28. I can't think of any realistically likely situation where I'd pick one over a ZL1.

09-30-2014, 06:20 PM	#12
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	And supercharge next year so it can beat the hell out of the cat. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.