2014 2SS to 2013/2014 ZL1 - a little advice please? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

thkfast · 10-17-2014, 05:15 AM

This is so dumb I know...I just got my new 2014 2SS nine months ago and I like it and everything, but...

...I got bored, so I started looking on Autotrader.com at ZL1's. Here's what I'm seeing:

NEW leftover 2014 ZL1's in the $55-57K range
Used 2014 ZL1's (they all have very low miles) in the $51-53K range
Used 2013 ZL1's (1,000-5,000 miles) $45-48K range

If I do this, I want to be sure I get one with just the right equipment - namely M6, RECARO SEATS, NAVIGATION, SUEDE PACKAGE and SUNROOF. I'm fine with either the polished 5 spoke silver or black 10 spoke wheels (although it's funny how the polished 5 spokes cost more, but seem to be less popular).

What, if any, significant changes were there from 2013 > 2014? I own a 2014 SS, so I know about the new rear end, but were the Recaros available in 2013? And did they change the DIC, Navigation or audio systems?

Since I'm not in a hurry to do anything, I'm anticipating some dealers will be discounting very low mileage pre-owned/demo 2014 ZL1's to $50K - then I'd be in striking distance.

If a few of you could weigh in on this, I'd appreciate it.

Z/28Dan · 10-17-2014, 07:18 AM

Sounds like you figured out our secret

and you've already made up your mind. I bought mine from a great guy here on Camaro5. Sell your car outright and keep hitting the For Sale section here. This is where the BEST deals are made.

Good luck in your search for a ZL1.

thkfast · 10-17-2014, 07:41 AM

I'm totally still wrestling with the decision, I hate throwing money away - I'd be spending a lot to jump ships, maybe $18,000. Crap that sounds like a lot.

Pomp · 10-17-2014, 07:52 AM

Get the SLP supercharger package and get it installed at a authorized dealer. You will get the same power as a ZL1 for less money and your car warranty will not be effected. I know this is a fact because my friend did it on his SS and he has all the papers an warranties. It will be a lot cheaper to do it this way.

boondocksaint · 10-17-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thkfast

If I do this, I want to be sure I get one with just the right equipment - namely M6, RECARO SEATS, NAVIGATION, SUEDE PACKAGE and SUNROOF. I'm fine with either the polished 5 spoke silver or black 10 spoke wheels (although it's funny how the polished 5 spokes cost more, but seem to be less popular).

What, if any, significant changes were there from 2013 > 2014?

No Recaros in 2013, but I read somewhere that they're a direct swap for the stock/base seats. I think the Nav was updated with better voice command, but that's not something I've verified. You'd also have the color HUD in the 2014 instead of the straight blue one in the 2013. Plus the rear fascia, etc.

boondocksaint · 10-17-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pomp

Get the SLP supercharger package and get it installed at a authorized dealer. You will get the same power as a ZL1 for less money and your car warranty will not be effected. I know this is a fact because my friend did it on his SS and he has all the papers an warranties. It will be a lot cheaper to do it this way.

Power is nothing without control.

Fair point, though. If he's just going to the drag strip, that's a sensible solution. If he wants to be fast around corners, it's going to take a lot more than adding a blower.

MATTESONDM · 10-17-2014, 08:24 AM

Im going to hold on to my 13 2SS/RS for a few years, and then hopefully find a low mileage ZL1 for $30k-$32k. Time is your friend with performance cars.

lbls1 · 10-17-2014, 09:56 AM

Recaros were new for '14, along with color HUD; MyLink carried over from '13. I always shun trading from a new car to used, but if its your objective to have a zl1 then make sure that at least its a low mileage example with an extended warranty. Price some new '14s as well, you may luck out and strike out a fantastic deal. Dealers want to clear up inventory space, so take your time and bargain hard.

Sven59 · 10-17-2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pomp

Get the SLP supercharger package and get it installed at a authorized dealer. You will get the same power as a ZL1 for less money and your car warranty will not be effected. I know this is a fact because my friend did it on his SS and he has all the papers an warranties. It will be a lot cheaper to do it this way.

A ZL1 is not just a supercharger!

Sent by a large Hammer.

jessrayo · 10-17-2014, 12:21 PM

lbls 1 is correct on the recaros and Hud. Sounds like you are looking for '14+ if you want the recaros. The ZL1 drivetrain is exaclty the same from 2012-2015. The rear in the ZL1 is totally different than the SS (much stronger and has a heat exchange cooler inside the diff), all of the drivetrain components and many suspension components are different in the ZL1. The manual trans is completely different and has different gear ratios, axles, driveshafts, all different....upgraded. Magride, brakes, block, heads, pistons...etc. If you want a stout Camaro, the ZL1 is worth the price because it will cost you more than $18K to swap in all of the ZL1 upgrades.

RandysZL1 · 10-17-2014, 12:28 PM

I found a 2013 KL1 with1001 miles for $47.000.

hognutz · 10-17-2014, 12:33 PM

14 options
color hud
color dic
recaro option
new rear facia
blue ray metalic color

adding recaro's to a 13 $4500 -$1500 you get for you seats is 3k out of pocket.

So at this point you just have to ask yourself what your budget is. if you can't get 14 for about 55k buy a used 13 IMO for 45k or so add the seats be in the car for 48k. resale value will be better.

this car has average resale it is not a car IMO you don't want to buy new unless you have to. I had ordered a 12 and got bumped to a 13 I got supplier price paid 55k out the door at the time have proabably lost 8-10k.

now that you can buy lower miles used I would rather spend the 45-48k and not lose as much money on the car.

I think these cars will stay int he 38k-42k range for a wile so it will minimze the loss.

jessrayo · 10-17-2014, 12:35 PM

Oh, I forgot mid 2014 they changed the supercharger isolator so that may be something to look for if you don't plan to mod the car.

vatechguy3 · 10-17-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

Oh, I forgot mid 2014 they changed the supercharger isolator so that may be something to look for if you don't plan to mod the car.

and that was mid-2104, so be careful there.

tony

10-17-2014, 05:15 AM	#1
thkfast Drives: '14 Red 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 692	2014 2SS to 2013/2014 ZL1 - a little advice please? This is so dumb I know...I just got my new 2014 2SS nine months ago and I like it and everything, but... ...I got bored, so I started looking on Autotrader.com at ZL1's. Here's what I'm seeing: NEW leftover 2014 ZL1's in the $55-57K range Used 2014 ZL1's (they all have very low miles) in the $51-53K range Used 2013 ZL1's (1,000-5,000 miles) $45-48K range If I do this, I want to be sure I get one with just the right equipment - namely M6, RECARO SEATS, NAVIGATION, SUEDE PACKAGE and SUNROOF. I'm fine with either the polished 5 spoke silver or black 10 spoke wheels (although it's funny how the polished 5 spokes cost more, but seem to be less popular). What, if any, significant changes were there from 2013 > 2014? I own a 2014 SS, so I know about the new rear end, but were the Recaros available in 2013? And did they change the DIC, Navigation or audio systems? Since I'm not in a hurry to do anything, I'm anticipating some dealers will be discounting very low mileage pre-owned/demo 2014 ZL1's to $50K - then I'd be in striking distance. If a few of you could weigh in on this, I'd appreciate it. __________________ 2014 Red Hot 2SS/RS/M6/NPP/Shifter/Nav/Roof/SilverRallyStripes/Airaid intake/GM StrutTowerBrace/50%-35%tint Last edited by thkfast; 10-17-2014 at 05:47 AM.

10-17-2014, 07:18 AM	#2
Z/28Dan Drives: 2023 1SS 1LE Vivid Orange Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 2,678 View My Garage	Sounds like you figured out our secret and you've already made up your mind. I bought mine from a great guy here on Camaro5. Sell your car outright and keep hitting the For Sale section here. This is where the BEST deals are made. Good luck in your search for a ZL1. __________________ There are only so many days in your lifetime. So get out and drive your Camaro... Dan

10-17-2014, 07:41 AM	#3
thkfast Drives: '14 Red 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 692	I'm totally still wrestling with the decision, I hate throwing money away - I'd be spending a lot to jump ships, maybe $18,000. Crap that sounds like a lot. __________________ 2014 Red Hot 2SS/RS/M6/NPP/Shifter/Nav/Roof/SilverRallyStripes/Airaid intake/GM StrutTowerBrace/50%-35%tint

10-17-2014, 07:52 AM	#4
Pomp Drives: 1998 Pontiac Trans Am Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 11	Get the SLP supercharger package and get it installed at a authorized dealer. You will get the same power as a ZL1 for less money and your car warranty will not be effected. I know this is a fact because my friend did it on his SS and he has all the papers an warranties. It will be a lot cheaper to do it this way. __________________ President of Toronto F-Body Motorsports Club

10-17-2014, 08:24 AM	#7
MATTESONDM Drives: 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Indian Head, MD Posts: 307	Im going to hold on to my 13 2SS/RS for a few years, and then hopefully find a low mileage ZL1 for $30k-$32k. Time is your friend with performance cars. __________________ 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10

10-17-2014, 09:56 AM	#8
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,071	Recaros were new for '14, along with color HUD; MyLink carried over from '13. I always shun trading from a new car to used, but if its your objective to have a zl1 then make sure that at least its a low mileage example with an extended warranty. Price some new '14s as well, you may luck out and strike out a fantastic deal. Dealers want to clear up inventory space, so take your time and bargain hard. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic* '25 Silverado 1500 High Country 6.2L

10-17-2014, 12:21 PM	#10
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	lbls 1 is correct on the recaros and Hud. Sounds like you are looking for '14+ if you want the recaros. The ZL1 drivetrain is exaclty the same from 2012-2015. The rear in the ZL1 is totally different than the SS (much stronger and has a heat exchange cooler inside the diff), all of the drivetrain components and many suspension components are different in the ZL1. The manual trans is completely different and has different gear ratios, axles, driveshafts, all different....upgraded. Magride, brakes, block, heads, pistons...etc. If you want a stout Camaro, the ZL1 is worth the price because it will cost you more than $18K to swap in all of the ZL1 upgrades. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

10-17-2014, 12:28 PM	#11
RandysZL1 Drives: 2013 Zl1 black Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Rochester MN Posts: 25	Used ZL1 I found a 2013 KL1 with1001 miles for $47.000.

10-17-2014, 12:33 PM	#12
hognutz Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: tangent or Posts: 2,985	14 options color hud color dic recaro option new rear facia blue ray metalic color adding recaro's to a 13 $4500 -$1500 you get for you seats is 3k out of pocket. So at this point you just have to ask yourself what your budget is. if you can't get 14 for about 55k buy a used 13 IMO for 45k or so add the seats be in the car for 48k. resale value will be better. this car has average resale it is not a car IMO you don't want to buy new unless you have to. I had ordered a 12 and got bumped to a 13 I got supplier price paid 55k out the door at the time have proabably lost 8-10k. now that you can buy lower miles used I would rather spend the 45-48k and not lose as much money on the car. I think these cars will stay int he 38k-42k range for a wile so it will minimze the loss. __________________ 2016 2SS 2020 super duty on 37's

10-17-2014, 12:35 PM	#13
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	Oh, I forgot mid 2014 they changed the supercharger isolator so that may be something to look for if you don't plan to mod the car. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.