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CBH · 02-06-2010, 11:48 PM

I'm surprised I haven't seen threads on this before. Surely somebody else is sick of having their wheels covered in brake dust the day after washing them ?

Has anybody tried any aftermarket dust-free pads ? I became a believer when I changed pads on a prior car several years ago. From dust nightmare to dust-free in 1 day.

Anybody ?

Any special tricks for the 4-piston SS brakes ?

d69chris · 02-07-2010, 02:15 AM

I put on hawk ceramics, haven't driven it enough to tell yet, raining here.

HadMatter · 02-07-2010, 02:45 AM

There were quite a few good suggestions and a bit of discussion on the subject in a thread on keeping the painted rs wheels clean.. sorry for no link.. posting from my phone... >.>

ssmike · 02-07-2010, 04:52 PM

There's been several threads on the subject but to summarize many people are complaining about excessive dust. This is due to the brake pad compound used, they are made for the Brembos and do create a lot of dust because they lean more towards performance than cleanliness. I am going to install Hawk Performance Ceramic pads and drilled/slotted rotors next month. There are many brake pad options out there but there are trade offs. Do a search and also check out Hawks's website.

eynigush · 02-07-2010, 05:37 PM

Hawk HPS is better. Much better stopping power than the ceramic pads and still reduces the brake dust significantly over the brembos.

--Eddie

Michael_Js · 02-07-2010, 05:38 PM

I don't have enough miles on the new Hawk Ceramic pads, but so far there is less dust. Supposedly - according to Junkman, the Wagner - Brake Pads - Thermo quiet premium pads (@Kragen - O'rielys) - produce little to NO dust! Not sure of their performance...

sting808 · 02-08-2010, 04:48 AM

I installed the Hawk Performance Ceramics this weekend.

See this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63866

Was very easy to install, even with the mod I did to repair Q&C issue with the Hawk pads.

One pad's wear sensor was poorly mounted so the pad wouldn't clear the calipers when installing. I bent them back and re-alligned. Also, only (2) of the (4) front pads have wear sensors. Rears have none. Of course, rears don't wear as quickly and you should do regular pad inspections anyway. But, Q&C was questionable.

Also, the Hawk pads didn't look like the same attention to detail was applied as compared to the stock Brembo ones. The stock pads have a media layer between the pads and the metal shim. I'm guessing this is for noise and/or heat insulation. Only the front Hawk pads have this layer. I re-used the OEM metal shims with the Hawk high temp grease and everything seems to be working fine.

IMHO, I don't think the Hawk Performance Ceramics will offer equal or better braking than stock pads due to the large tapered area, but I'm not auto crossing/SCCA. I bought it for dust reduction with hopefully near OEM braking performance. We'll see in the next weeks regarding dust residue.

ssmike · 02-08-2010, 07:58 AM

Where did you get the high temp grease and where do you apply it? Thanks for the great post!

Michael_Js · 02-08-2010, 03:36 PM

The grease comes with the Hawk pads. You apply it under the metal shim and on the backs - sides facing the calipers, NOT the rotors! Mine have not made a peep since I put them on. Although, my stock pads never made a sound...I'll be trying some of the other suggestions next, although I think the Hawk ceramics feel good at this point, and they're not fully bedded in...

Tecca · 02-08-2010, 04:09 PM

I am going with Carbotech's Bobcat 1521 for my pads, I just have to ordr them from Brandon at IPS.

Michael_Js · 02-08-2010, 04:16 PM

Let us know your impressions when you run them!

Thanks,
Michael J.

Jetsco · 02-10-2010, 12:27 PM

I spoke to a representative at Hawk this morning on exactly this subject. He stated that there are only minor differences between the HPS and the HP Ceramic pads and that to the average driver it would not be noticeable. He did also say that while both will still disperse brake dust, the HP Ceramic will be grey in color and the HPS will be black (more noticeable) in color.

Michael_Js · 02-10-2010, 01:43 PM

Oh! Then I need the HPS to match my car & wheels!

Junkman2008 · 02-17-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael_Js

I don't have enough miles on the new Hawk Ceramic pads, but so far there is less dust. Supposedly - according to Junkman, the Wagner - Brake Pads - Thermo quiet premium pads (@Kragen - O'rielys) - produce little to NO dust! Not sure of their performance...

I would swear by it. Because of the way I drive, I need all the stopping power I can get! These pads more than perform AND leave ZERO brake dust.

02-06-2010, 11:48 PM	#1
CBH VETT 4 5 Drives: Yellow 1SS/RS w/ Clutch Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 101	Dust-Free Pads I'm surprised I haven't seen threads on this before. Surely somebody else is sick of having their wheels covered in brake dust the day after washing them ? Has anybody tried any aftermarket dust-free pads ? I became a believer when I changed pads on a prior car several years ago. From dust nightmare to dust-free in 1 day. Anybody ? Any special tricks for the 4-piston SS brakes ?

02-07-2010, 02:15 AM	#2
d69chris Florida C5 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Vortech L99 IOM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tequesta, FL Posts: 2,608 View My Garage	I put on hawk ceramics, haven't driven it enough to tell yet, raining here. __________________ Ordered 11/08/08....Del. 08/05/2009 Loving every minute of it! Don't hate me because i'm Pretty....

02-07-2010, 05:37 PM	#5
eynigush SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SSRS Rally Yellow Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 412 View My Garage	Hawk HPS is better. Much better stopping power than the ceramic pads and still reduces the brake dust significantly over the brembos. --Eddie __________________ Kooks 1 7/8 headers w/high flow cats Magnaflow Cat-back Competition Series Cold Air Intake by CAI Inc.

02-07-2010, 05:38 PM	#6
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,298 View My Garage	I don't have enough miles on the new Hawk Ceramic pads, but so far there is less dust. Supposedly - according to Junkman, the Wagner - Brake Pads - Thermo quiet premium pads (@Kragen - O'rielys) - produce little to NO dust! Not sure of their performance... __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

02-08-2010, 04:48 AM	#7
sting808 Drives: 2010 SS RS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 929	I installed the Hawk Performance Ceramics this weekend. See this thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63866 Was very easy to install, even with the mod I did to repair Q&C issue with the Hawk pads. One pad's wear sensor was poorly mounted so the pad wouldn't clear the calipers when installing. I bent them back and re-alligned. Also, only (2) of the (4) front pads have wear sensors. Rears have none. Of course, rears don't wear as quickly and you should do regular pad inspections anyway. But, Q&C was questionable. Also, the Hawk pads didn't look like the same attention to detail was applied as compared to the stock Brembo ones. The stock pads have a media layer between the pads and the metal shim. I'm guessing this is for noise and/or heat insulation. Only the front Hawk pads have this layer. I re-used the OEM metal shims with the Hawk high temp grease and everything seems to be working fine. IMHO, I don't think the Hawk Performance Ceramics will offer equal or better braking than stock pads due to the large tapered area, but I'm not auto crossing/SCCA. I bought it for dust reduction with hopefully near OEM braking performance. We'll see in the next weeks regarding dust residue. Attached Images

02-07-2010, 02:45 AM	#3
HadMatter Drives: Rally Yellow RS/2SS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ladson, SC Posts: 19	There were quite a few good suggestions and a bit of discussion on the subject in a thread on keeping the painted rs wheels clean.. sorry for no link.. posting from my phone... >.>

02-07-2010, 04:52 PM	#4
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,841	There's been several threads on the subject but to summarize many people are complaining about excessive dust. This is due to the brake pad compound used, they are made for the Brembos and do create a lot of dust because they lean more towards performance than cleanliness. I am going to install Hawk Performance Ceramic pads and drilled/slotted rotors next month. There are many brake pad options out there but there are trade offs. Do a search and also check out Hawks's website.

02-08-2010, 07:58 AM	#8
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,841	Where did you get the high temp grease and where do you apply it? Thanks for the great post!

02-08-2010, 03:36 PM	#9
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,298 View My Garage	The grease comes with the Hawk pads. You apply it under the metal shim and on the backs - sides facing the calipers, NOT the rotors! Mine have not made a peep since I put them on. Although, my stock pads never made a sound...I'll be trying some of the other suggestions next, although I think the Hawk ceramics feel good at this point, and they're not fully bedded in... __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

02-08-2010, 04:09 PM	#10
Tecca . Drives: ... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,377	I am going with Carbotech's Bobcat 1521 for my pads, I just have to ordr them from Brandon at IPS.

02-08-2010, 04:16 PM	#11
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,298 View My Garage	Let us know your impressions when you run them! Thanks, Michael J. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

02-10-2010, 12:27 PM	#12
Jetsco Drives: Ordered 2/25/09 -2SS/RS/IOM/M6 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Crystal Lake, IL Posts: 143	I spoke to a representative at Hawk this morning on exactly this subject. He stated that there are only minor differences between the HPS and the HP Ceramic pads and that to the average driver it would not be noticeable. He did also say that while both will still disperse brake dust, the HP Ceramic will be grey in color and the HPS will be black (more noticeable) in color. __________________ IOM 2SS/RS, M6 (587rwhp) - Chrome Maggie w/3.8 Pulley, Speed Inc Custom Cam Package, Roto-Fab CAI, Stainless Works Headers and Full Exhaust System, SI Custom Tune, Pfadt Drop Springs, Pfadt Front and Rear Sways, Powder Coated Calipers with Stillen Vented/Cross-drilled Rotors and SS Brake Lines, Barton Shifter, Street Scene Scoops, NLP Spoiler, Heritage Grille, Smoked Lenes, Painted XM Antenna, Showstopper Custom Engine Compartment and D2FORGED 22" CV2's.

02-10-2010, 01:43 PM	#13
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,298 View My Garage	Oh! Then I need the HPS to match my car & wheels! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;