Why is GM still behind the 8 ball? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Bonanza7 · 02-18-2013, 02:37 PM

When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

slick rick · 02-18-2013, 02:43 PM

I'd take a V8 as standard over any of those things

So I opted for the 1SS and added the PDIM (ipod interface) myself

nyrfan · 02-18-2013, 02:44 PM

Your dealer is an idiot is all I am going to say. The back up camera has been available since the 2012 models. There is also iPod integration & Bluetooth.

Sent from my 2SS/RS

Mr. iNCREDIBLE · 02-18-2013, 02:45 PM

um my 2012 has an Ipod interface, bluetooth for music streaming and phone, and a backup camera.. all standard in my SS..

since you didn't mention which model you were looking at, hard to determine..

but insofar as to why, at least with the Camaro.. GM built this car to be simplistic, it was designed for gear heads and power, not for tech-heads and gadgets, I believe that has been stated by GM several times.

While I agree overall that in 2013 this doesn't make much sense, I have to say after owning my 2012 for 6 months now, that I am kinda of glad it doesn't have all the techno crap my 300c and Avalanche had. I enjoy the car for what it is, and am not frustrated with gadgets that never want to work right

My 300c, Avalanche and the wife's Camry Hybrid, have all had their fair share of techno-gadget idiocy and failure.

The Camaro was build to be a simplistic powerful drivers car, as such the gadgets are not needed.

meissen · 02-18-2013, 02:49 PM

You won't get it with a base model 2013 1LS, but I believe you will get all that with the 2LT if not the 1LT... I believe the phone/ipod integration for streaming audio requires the Comfort and Connectivity package. My 2012 1LS is a base, base, base model Camaro but it still integrates with my phone for bluetooth calling and to be honest I think the 1LS features are exactly what I wanted... nothing more, nothing less.

motorhead · 02-18-2013, 02:55 PM

This looks like a case of wanting to buy the cheap model and still get all the features of the upper models.

Wishful thinking at best.

Trentin24 · 02-18-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slick rick

I'd take a V8 as standard over any of those things

So I opted for the 1SS and added the PDIM (ipod interface) myself

How do you do this? How much did it cost?

Mr. iNCREDIBLE · 02-18-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

This looks like a case of wanting to buy the cheap model and still get all the features of the upper models.

Wishful thinking at best.

that and comparing a Civic to a Camaro..

doesn't make much sense not even in the same league..

Flashpoint135 · 02-18-2013, 02:59 PM

There are lots of different models with different features and prices so we can all get what we want. What you want is all included as standard on the 2LT, 2SS, and ZL1 models.

Fiveg56 · 02-18-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza7

I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard...

Not according to Honda.com

jd10013 · 02-18-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza7

When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

GM didn't design the camaro to compete with the civic. it you want a car that tries to compete in that segment then you need to be shopping for a cobalt, focus, sentra, or corolla.

FenwickHockey65 · 02-18-2013, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

If you bought an LS then no, it didn't. If you bought a higher trim level then you just didn't know you had it. Camaro has had USB integration from the start. Reverse camera was added in 2012.

plus1zero · 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM

my 2011 has all of that...i like the whole simplistic retro look in the interior though. My fiancee is about to buy a Honda Accord and I rode with her on the test drive. I felt like I was back in the stone age with all the bells and whistles that thing had on it

Hers list price loaded out to the brim has more features and still is cheaper than mine.

PalmerGA · 02-18-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashpoint135

There are lots of different models with different features and prices so we can all get what we want. What you want is all included as standard on the 2LT, 2SS, and ZL1 models.

...and a 1SS w/ RS package (don't know that the USB port and camera are part of the RS pkg - I don't think so).

02-18-2013, 02:37 PM	#1
Bonanza7 Account Suspended Drives: 2010, Rally Yellow, Black stripes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,363	Why is GM still behind the 8 ball? When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

02-18-2013, 02:43 PM	#2
slick rick SoCal Mayhem Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Foothill Ranch, CA Posts: 5,488 View My Garage	I'd take a V8 as standard over any of those things So I opted for the 1SS and added the PDIM (ipod interface) myself __________________

02-18-2013, 02:44 PM	#3
nyrfan Let's go Rangers! Drives: 13' AGM 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 10,742 View My Garage	Your dealer is an idiot is all I am going to say. The back up camera has been available since the 2012 models. There is also iPod integration & Bluetooth. Sent from my 2SS/RS __________________ Soprano 4/1/00-6/14/11, Gone but NEVER forgotten! FSP tuned: 377/389

02-18-2013, 02:45 PM	#4
Mr. iNCREDIBLE Drives: 2012 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: SoCal Baby... Posts: 2,530	um my 2012 has an Ipod interface, bluetooth for music streaming and phone, and a backup camera.. all standard in my SS.. since you didn't mention which model you were looking at, hard to determine.. but insofar as to why, at least with the Camaro.. GM built this car to be simplistic, it was designed for gear heads and power, not for tech-heads and gadgets, I believe that has been stated by GM several times. While I agree overall that in 2013 this doesn't make much sense, I have to say after owning my 2012 for 6 months now, that I am kinda of glad it doesn't have all the techno crap my 300c and Avalanche had. I enjoy the car for what it is, and am not frustrated with gadgets that never want to work right My 300c, Avalanche and the wife's Camry Hybrid, have all had their fair share of techno-gadget idiocy and failure. The Camaro was build to be a simplistic powerful drivers car, as such the gadgets are not needed. __________________ *I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you fail to understand.*

02-18-2013, 02:49 PM	#5
meissen Founder - Michigan FBody Drives: 1994 Camaro LT1, 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Haven, MI Posts: 2,598	You won't get it with a base model 2013 1LS, but I believe you will get all that with the 2LT if not the 1LT... I believe the phone/ipod integration for streaming audio requires the Comfort and Connectivity package. My 2012 1LS is a base, base, base model Camaro but it still integrates with my phone for bluetooth calling and to be honest I think the 1LS features are exactly what I wanted... nothing more, nothing less. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS L99 - *"Zooma"* 1994 Camaro LT1 A4 - *"Red Alert"* - v6-to-LT1 Swapped Cruiser; Cammed, Stalled, Enjoyed "Gone But Not Forgotten" 2016 Camaro 1LT A8 - "Elmo" 2014 Camaro 1LT M6 - "Cherry Bomb" 2012 Camaro 1LS M6 - "Clifford" Michigan FBody Association http://www.mifbody.com/

02-18-2013, 02:55 PM	#6
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	This looks like a case of wanting to buy the cheap model and still get all the features of the upper models. Wishful thinking at best.

02-18-2013, 02:59 PM	#9
Flashpoint135 Drives: 2016 SS Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Newark, NY Posts: 1,284	There are lots of different models with different features and prices so we can all get what we want. What you want is all included as standard on the 2LT, 2SS, and ZL1 models. __________________

02-18-2013, 03:28 PM	#13
plus1zero Don't tread on me Drives: 23 Sierra X31, Past 2017 Fifty 2SS Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: United States Posts: 850	my 2011 has all of that...i like the whole simplistic retro look in the interior though. My fiancee is about to buy a Honda Accord and I rode with her on the test drive. I felt like I was back in the stone age with all the bells and whistles that thing had on it Hers list price loaded out to the brim has more features and still is cheaper than mine.