supercgarger vs turbo ?????

[brada]

I'm trying to decide which would be a better system for a daily driver... say around 600 hp... what other modes would it take?.. whats the price comparison?.. fuel economy ?..
please throw all your info, suggestions on here, all your help is much welcome.
Thanks

[Stovall-SS]

Originally Posted by brada

I'm trying to decide which would be a better system for a daily driver... say around 600 hp... what other modes would it take?.. whats the price comparison?.. fuel economy ?..
please throw all your info, suggestions on here, all your help is much welcome.
Thanks

Check out the Whipple build! I was first looking at twin Turbo's, but I think I have changed my mind and am gonna go with the whipple charger. You can easly get 600HP out of a whipple, cam, headers, CAI. And the guy that is having this build its going to be his everyday driver. He should be able to hit 600hp after all said and done.

Just my .02 Cents.

Theres plenty of reseach on this forum to find out what you are looking for.

[shevyman]

not to sure as for price but i would think both systems would need some good tunning and other upgrades to help you hit 600hp safely, so by me saying that i mean bigger injectors and maybe cam which those two i think will hurt your mpg.

its all up to you. just look up all the s/c out there check prices, then same with t/c compare prices with which give you the best numbers for your buck. then go from there by looking at intakes same think which gives better hp for your buck and a nice set of headers, i believe you want long tubes and you can get more out of the engine.

[axis]

A turbo system would easily hit 600whp without any other mods, besides fuel. In addition to the 600whp, you should be able to get 600+tq as well. A turbo is also easier on the motor and drive train. Fuel mileage shouldn't suffer to much, if at all, with either setup. I'm talking not in boost though. Boosting will greatly reduce your MPG's.

FWIW, any of the SC's will get you to 600whp. It's all a matter of adding things like headers, a cam, pulley, etc. A turbo is just a matter of turning a knob to increase the boost. No headers, cam, or pulley needed.

[brada]

AWESOME GUYS!!.. much appreciate the input. I'm currently building a camaro for a client who had maggie system done.... good numbers (760 hp, 700 trq). so now i gotta compare prices.
Also, what would be a safe boost to run on a stock LS3 rotating assembly ?...6-8 lbs ???

[shevyman]

i would say 8 would be your max with out upgrading the internals. but i think a few people out there with vortech are running 7. dont quote me on that.

i also have a vortech but i am not for the power and also my car will be a show car and not much of a road car.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by axis

A turbo system would easily hit 600whp without any other mods, besides fuel. In addition to the 600whp, you should be able to get 600+tq as well. A turbo is also easier on the motor and drive train. Fuel mileage shouldn't suffer to much, if at all, with either setup. I'm talking not in boost though. Boosting will greatly reduce your MPG's.

FWIW, any of the SC's will get you to 600whp. It's all a matter of adding things like headers, a cam, pulley, etc. A turbo is just a matter of turning a knob to increase the boost. No headers, cam, or pulley needed.

Just turning a knob with a turbo will get you a blown motor. Ask the turbo guys here and they will tell you. A turbo is like any other system if installed and tuned properly it can be reliable.

Which system are you running by the way? I keep seeing you post all over the place, but all I see is bad info. What system do you have first hand experience with?

[Supercharged SS]

Currently I'm running 10.8 psi of boost on a stock L99 and have no problems what so ever. I probably just jinxed myself but you should have no trouble going with 10 psi. I'll be cranking mine up to around 13 with the stock bottom and don't expect any problems. Its only at peak boost for about 10 seconds!

[axis]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

Just turning a knob with a turbo will get you a blown motor. Ask the turbo guys here and they will tell you. A turbo is like any other system if installed and tuned properly it can be reliable.

Which system are you running by the way? I keep seeing you post all over the place, but all I see is bad info. What system do you have first hand experience with?

I don't have a turbo on this car but I can assure you there's no difference between a turbo'd Camaro and any other turbo car. For reference, I had a 500awhp turbo talon. Been involved in a few turbo Buicks, Supras, 7's, and several others. What's your experience?

You missed the point in my "turning a knob" statement. I guess the SC guys just slap on a new pulley and don't tune for it? Everyone else in here KNOWS that tuning is a given. I guess you still need to learn that. If you change the boost pressure, you have to tune for it. If you would have read two words past the turn the knob quote, you'd have seen that I said you don't need to BUY or INSTALL anything to get more HP. Just up the boost and obviously tune it.

Can you show me all the "bad info" you seem to think i'm spouting?

[brada]

it seams that ether forced induction systems are comparable in price... now what about performance?? . I know first hand that the camaro I'm currently working on (with the maggie) has incredible , usable bottom end torque,.... its a stump puller. what should i expect from a turbo system?

[lewylew]

What pulley are you running with the 10.8 psi?

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Currently I'm running 10.8 psi of boost on a stock L99 and have no problems what so ever. I probably just jinxed myself but you should have no trouble going with 10 psi. I'll be cranking mine up to around 13 with the stock bottom and don't expect any problems. Its only at peak boost for about 10 seconds!

[PoleCat2SSRS2010]

Originally Posted by brada

it seams that ether forced induction systems are comparable in price... now what about performance?? edit.....

There is a some difference in cost if you consider a ceramic ball bearing set up for the TT to have greater reliability avg seen in here is +$2K as an option to be seriously considered. There is much more install involvement with TTs. Intercooler options are abound and will make you dizzy....that is if you are building your own instead of a kit.
PD s/c setups are easier to install, injectors, cam, fuel system, headers, heads, converter should be about $12K.

Both systems make more power and that means more heat and calls for increased radiator capacity add about another $1200 to be safe.

As far as economy goes.....the hp equation will always rule. To get more hp requires more air and more fuel. It is all relative. Turbos can use smaller cams and get away with slightly better economy.
As far as performance the PD s/c will accelerate out of the hole first and be out in front....that is if 600rwhp is your limiting measure.
TTs can be made to perform but the engine has to stay in the boost rpm which is usually optimal at around 4000 where as PD s/c are in by 2500.

Pick the driving habit or the purpose of the ride.

There is a lot of info here and on LS1Tech. search.

[brada]

Originally Posted by PoleCat2SSRS2010

There is a some difference in cost if you consider a ceramic ball bearing set up for the TT to have greater reliability avg seen in here is +$2K as an option to be seriously considered. There is much more install involvement with TTs. Intercooler options are abound and will make you dizzy....that is if you are building your own instead of a kit.
PD s/c setups are easier to install, injectors, cam, fuel system, headers, heads, converter should be about $12K.

Both systems make more power and that means more heat and calls for increased radiator capacity add about another $1200 to be safe.

As far as economy goes.....the hp equation will always rule. To get more hp requires more air and more fuel. It is all relative. Turbos can use smaller cams and get away with slightly better economy.
As far as performance the PD s/c will accelerate out of the hole first and be out in front....that is if 600rwhp is your limiting measure.
TTs can be made to perform but the engine has to stay in the boost rpm which is usually optimal at around 4000 where as PD s/c are in by 2500.

Pick the driving habit or the purpose of the ride.

There is a lot of info here and on LS1Tech. search.

thanks PoleCat2SSRS2010...