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BRKLYN · 02-24-2011, 03:11 PM

Will this car get an excise fuel tax?

*radz28* · 02-24-2011, 03:58 PM

We'll find out in months

Sevn86 · 02-24-2011, 04:19 PM

Shurenuff · 02-24-2011, 04:25 PM

If they handily exceed the 2011 GT500 in the power department, I'll have no issue paying it. If they stick with the 550-556hp number and there's a tax, I'd be pretty disappointed.

slick rick · 02-24-2011, 04:27 PM

Does the CTS-V have the tax?

Shurenuff · 02-24-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by slick rick

Does the CTS-V have the tax?

Yep, but the 2011 GT500 doesn't.

thePill · 02-24-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slick rick

Does the CTS-V have the tax?

Yes, the CTS-V auto averages 14mpg and the manual averages 16mpg. The gas guzzler tax rate is $5400 tax for the auto and a $3700 for the manual.

According to a newspaper article it was $2600, that would be an entire bracket higher but that would be the minimum.

Shurenuff · 02-24-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill

Yes, the CTS-V auto averages 14mpg and the manual averages 16mpg. The gas guzzler tax rate is $5400 tax for the auto and a $3700 for the manual.

According to a newspaper article it was $2600, that would be an entire bracket higher but that would be the minimum.

Yikes, that's high. The coupe is listed as $1300 for manual and $2600 for auto for the GG tax. That's much more reasonable and bodes well for the ZL1.

http://autos.yahoo.com/cadillac/cts-...d/options.html

As long as they bring the goods, I'm ok with paying anything under $2k for the GG tax.

thePill · 02-24-2011, 05:14 PM

Combined fuel economy of:
Amount at least 22.5 mpg No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 mpg$1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 mpg$1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 mpg$1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 mpg$2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 mpg$2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 mpg$3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 mpg$3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 mpg$4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 mpg$5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 mpg$6400
less than 12.5 mpg$7700

thePill · 02-24-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shurenuff

Yikes, that's high. The coupe is listed as $1300 for manual and $2600 for auto for the GG tax. That's much more reasonable and bodes well for the ZL1.

http://autos.yahoo.com/cadillac/cts-...d/options.html

As long as they bring the goods, I'm ok with paying anything under $2k for the GG tax.

Yeah, I seen what it listed for but, its kinda hard to be placed in a bracket when your maximum highway mpg (19mpg) is lower than the brackets minimum..

??????

Something isn't right...

Shurenuff · 02-24-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill

Combined fuel economy of:
Amount at least 22.5 mpg No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 mpg$1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 mpg$1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 mpg$1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 mpg$2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 mpg$2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 mpg$3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 mpg$3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 mpg$4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 mpg$5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 mpg$6400
less than 12.5 mpg$7700

According to Yahoo link I provided above, the combined fuel economy for the CTS-V coupe is 16 for the manual. According to your chart the GG tax should be at least $3700.

So how is it listed as $1300 instead?

thePill · 02-24-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shurenuff

According to Yahoo link I provided above, the combined fuel economy for the CTS-V coupe is 16 for the manual. According to your chart the GG tax should be at least $3700.

So how is it listed as $1300 instead?

Heres the link to the EPA's website
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzl....htm#calculate

Looks like somebody fudged the numbers...

thePill · 02-24-2011, 05:29 PM

It looks like it would be $3700 for the manual and $5400 for the auto, might be why there is no ZL1 auto as of now.

Shurenuff · 02-24-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill

Heres the link to the EPA's website
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzl....htm#calculate

Looks like somebody fudged the numbers...

I'm guessing the manufacturer absorbs some or all of these costs instead of passing the full amount on to the consumer in the form of a GG tax?

Heck, the 2011 GT500 has a combined fuel economy of around 17 MPG. It would, however, escape the tax according to the EPA chart if they used the HWY 23 MPG figure instead of the combined number. But the EPA clearly states that they use the combined formula when determining GG tax.

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thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	Combined fuel economy of: Amount at least 22.5 mpg No tax at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 mpg$1000 at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 mpg$1300 at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 mpg$1700 at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 mpg$2100 at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 mpg$2600 at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 mpg$3000 at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 mpg$3700 at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 mpg$4500 at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 mpg$5400 at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 mpg$6400 less than 12.5 mpg$7700

02-24-2011, 05:29 PM	#13
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	It looks like it would be $3700 for the manual and $5400 for the auto, might be why there is no ZL1 auto as of now.