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AGENT-006 · 03-23-2011, 10:45 PM

is it just me or does it sometimes seem like the front bumper has a diff shade of grey in it than the rest of the car?..
seems to be more bluish..or is it jus me and the shadows of this world? lol

RAWarrior · 03-23-2011, 10:49 PM

I haven't noticed it but there hasn't been much sun here to really look.

cyberLS · 03-23-2011, 11:03 PM

think it is on every color take a look here

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136372

Moriartii · 03-24-2011, 10:23 AM

Ya mine is like that a little bit.

Cheers
K

Clark Grizwald · 03-24-2011, 10:25 AM

when I was buying, I thought the bumpers for all colors except Black looked different. Paint will show up differently on plastic verses metal.

SSLarry · 03-24-2011, 10:31 AM

ALL metallics have this issue: CGM, RJT, SIM, IOM, IBM, ABM and SGM.

It's more pronounced in the bright sun and from certain angles. See the many other links on this subject. The plastic parts (bumpers and fuel door) are painted at a different location than the robots which paint the steel body. The paint is a different compound because paint on plastic has to be allowed to flex or it will crack.

For the solids, only white seems to have a discoloration issue. The rest seem ok... BLK, VR and RY.

My Theory:
Since other manufacturers don't have this issue as much, I can only conclude that the issue is in GM's process: the amount of metallic flake is not the same between the two painting locations. In CGM for example, there are two different colors of flake. If the two painting locations don't have exactly the same number of flakes per color per drop of paint, there will be a noticeable difference. The more metal per drop of paint, the lighter the shade because it reflects more light. Also, the metallic flake, when hitting the elecro charged steel body of the Camaro, will not align in the same direction as the flake when applied to a non-charged plastic piece. The subtle difference would then be visible in the sun from different angles. This assumes that the individual flakes are not round balls of steel, but rather elongated shavings which react to electormagnetc fields like a compass. Again, just a theory, but I think it holds.

Some mis-match examples:

Fuel door:

Bumper and fuel door:

At least GM is consistent...all cars of the same color have the same degree of problem.

.

PB3 · 03-24-2011, 10:47 AM

I have a slight color difference. I think....

Baldman · 03-24-2011, 12:05 PM

Mines a little off color at certain angles.

Neozyne · 03-24-2011, 12:31 PM

ive noticed.. i have a clear bra too and i think it may amplify the color differance slightly more too- EVERY time I walk out to my car I stare at the differance =/

AGENT-006 · 03-24-2011, 01:01 PM

it annoys the living crap out of me..weather or not its on diff material or whatevr..if GM really wanted too..they cud put in the time n money to fix it..

ihaveacamaro · 03-24-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGENT-006

it annoys the living crap out of me..weather or not its on diff material or whatevr..if GM really wanted too..they cud put in the time n money to fix it..

and then charged even more, which would equal less sales...

right now GM is just trying to "sell, sell, sell"

SSLarry · 03-24-2011, 02:06 PM

Perhaps GM may not be alone in this. Here's Nissan, though to a lesser agree...

Sawyer · 03-24-2011, 02:25 PM

Wow SSlarry that CGM looks amazing in that first pic.

nomadicdogg · 03-24-2011, 04:31 PM

Theres a few posts on this and a few reasons...
first, painted steel and painted plastic reflect light differently. It is very noticable on certain colors. cyber grey is one of them.
It also has to do with shape and anlge of light. theres a thread on here with two exact matching painted squares. side by side they look the same, turn one just slightly and they look completely different
and finally, theres enough metallic in CGM that its almost like a pearl....

03-23-2011, 10:45 PM	#1
AGENT-006 AKA 'Mr. 006' Drives: 2010 CGM Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fresno Posts: 723 View My Garage	MY CGM BUDDIES.. is it just me or does it sometimes seem like the front bumper has a diff shade of grey in it than the rest of the car?.. seems to be more bluish..or is it jus me and the shadows of this world? lol __________________

03-23-2011, 10:49 PM	#2
RAWarrior Drives: '11 CGM/IOM 2SS 'vert '02 GMC Envoy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Springfield IL/Indy IN Posts: 461	I haven't noticed it but there hasn't been much sun here to really look. __________________ Cyber Grey/Black Conv 2SS IOM interior 12/07/2010 - (1100) Order Placed 12/10/2010 - (2000) Order Accepted by GM Dealer 12/15/2010 - (2500) Order Preferenced Order 12/15/2010 - (3000) Order accepted 01/29/2011 - (3100) Order available to sequence. 01/29/2011 - (3300) Order Scheduled for Production 01/29/2011 - (3400) Order Broadcast 02/07/2011 - (3800) Order produced, 02/07/2011 - (4000) Vehicle available to ship 02/07/2011 - (4104) Bailment Invoice Created 02/07/2011 - (4B00) Your car is bayed 03/12/2011 - She's finally Home!!!!

03-24-2011, 10:25 AM	#5
Clark Grizwald Brewmaster Drives: 2013 ZL1, 2015 Tundra 1794 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Cary, Illinois Posts: 256 View My Garage	when I was buying, I thought the bumpers for all colors except Black looked different. Paint will show up differently on plastic verses metal. __________________ "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "... holy sh*t...what a ride!"

03-24-2011, 10:31 AM	#6
SSLarry Drives: 2SS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 1,309	ALL metallics have this issue: CGM, RJT, SIM, IOM, IBM, ABM and SGM. It's more pronounced in the bright sun and from certain angles. See the many other links on this subject. The plastic parts (bumpers and fuel door) are painted at a different location than the robots which paint the steel body. The paint is a different compound because paint on plastic has to be allowed to flex or it will crack. For the solids, only white seems to have a discoloration issue. The rest seem ok... BLK, VR and RY. My Theory: Since other manufacturers don't have this issue as much, I can only conclude that the issue is in GM's process: the amount of metallic flake is not the same between the two painting locations. In CGM for example, there are two different colors of flake. If the two painting locations don't have exactly the same number of flakes per color per drop of paint, there will be a noticeable difference. The more metal per drop of paint, the lighter the shade because it reflects more light. Also, the metallic flake, when hitting the elecro charged steel body of the Camaro, will not align in the same direction as the flake when applied to a non-charged plastic piece. The subtle difference would then be visible in the sun from different angles. This assumes that the individual flakes are not round balls of steel, but rather elongated shavings which react to electormagnetc fields like a compass. Again, just a theory, but I think it holds. Some mis-match examples: Fuel door: Bumper and fuel door: At least GM is consistent...all cars of the same color have the same degree of problem. . __________________ 2010 CGM 2SS LS3, born: 4/10 Last edited by SSLarry; 03-24-2011 at 05:44 PM.

03-24-2011, 10:47 AM	#7
PB3 Drives: 2010 CGM 2LT/RS/GFX/M6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,689	I have a slight color difference. I think.... __________________ "Reality is an illusion that occurs due to lack of alcohol" -W.C.Feilds

03-23-2011, 11:03 PM	#3
cyberLS Drives: 2010 Cyber Grey LS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Santa Clara Posts: 2,224 View My Garage	think it is on every color take a look here http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136372

03-24-2011, 10:23 AM	#4
Moriartii Drives: 11 IOM 2SS/RS M6 w/Hurst Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,269	Ya mine is like that a little bit. Cheers K

03-24-2011, 12:05 PM	#8
Baldman EMERALD COAST CAMAROS Drives: None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cridersvile, OHIO Posts: 2,973	Mines a little off color at certain angles. __________________

03-24-2011, 12:31 PM	#9
Neozyne Drives: Cyber Gray SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 132	ive noticed.. i have a clear bra too and i think it may amplify the color differance slightly more too- EVERY time I walk out to my car I stare at the differance =/

03-24-2011, 01:01 PM	#10
AGENT-006 AKA 'Mr. 006' Drives: 2010 CGM Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fresno Posts: 723 View My Garage	it annoys the living crap out of me..weather or not its on diff material or whatevr..if GM really wanted too..they cud put in the time n money to fix it.. __________________

03-24-2011, 02:06 PM	#12
SSLarry Drives: 2SS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 1,309	Perhaps GM may not be alone in this. Here's Nissan, though to a lesser agree... __________________ 2010 CGM 2SS LS3, born: 4/10

03-24-2011, 02:25 PM	#13
Sawyer Drives: '13 5.0 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,345 View My Garage	Wow SSlarry that CGM looks amazing in that first pic.

03-24-2011, 04:31 PM	#14
nomadicdogg Drives: '10 2SS/RS Cyber Grey Camaro (sold) Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Western, PA Posts: 1,737 View My Garage	Theres a few posts on this and a few reasons... first, painted steel and painted plastic reflect light differently. It is very noticable on certain colors. cyber grey is one of them. It also has to do with shape and anlge of light. theres a thread on here with two exact matching painted squares. side by side they look the same, turn one just slightly and they look completely different and finally, theres enough metallic in CGM that its almost like a pearl....

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