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stc315 · 01-21-2016, 02:59 AM

Side by side start freeway speed. Stayed very close. Closer than I expected. Final separation was less than a car length when I had to back off for traffic. My ZL1 is stock except for a cai. I was pleasantly surprised.

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angryBits · 01-21-2016, 03:28 AM

400lbs heavier.
60mm less rubber in back.
Poorer weight distribution.

The Hellcat actually carries the same amount of weight on its back as the ZL1 but 400lbs more on the front because of its front-biased weight distribution. With narrower tires out back and no additional weight on them, traction is bound to suffer during high torque.

kinpin · 01-21-2016, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by angryBits

400lbs heavier.
60mm less rubber in back.
Poorer weight distribution.

The Hellcat actually carries the same amount of weight on its back as the ZL1 but 400lbs more on the front because of its front-biased weight distribution. With narrower tires out back and no additional weight on them, traction is bound to suffer during high torque.

What he said

nighttowl · 01-21-2016, 08:58 PM

At the track a hellcat with a CAI and slicks was running 11.80's.

Jeff

15ZL1 · 01-21-2016, 10:55 PM

I lined up against one last year and lost but not that bad a 10.75 to my 10.92. It will be a different outcome next time.

Snakedriver · 01-21-2016, 11:53 PM

Hellcats A8 bone stock on drag radials routinely Run high 10's.

BadSport340 · 01-22-2016, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nighttowl

At the track a hellcat with a CAI and slicks was running 11.80's.

Jeff

Last time I was at the track I saw a bone stock Hellcat running 11.80's consistently with a grandpa behind the wheel. With slicks they can/do run 10's easily.

stc315 · 01-22-2016, 12:21 AM

I think it was closer because we were already going 70 when we lined up. I could tell the hellcat was a stick car because each time he shifted I would gain a little ground back. I had my ZL1 in Drive the whole time lol. I think I would have been closer if he didn't get a good jump on me because when I dropped the hammer, my traction control kicked (broke traction a little when the trans down shifted). I had to back off the throttle just a hair to get it to shut off, then floored it again. Funny thing is I almost bought one, but went Camaro because my Chevy dealer was willing to make a deal on my Z and the robbers...I mean Dodge dealers wanted to mark up the hellcat by 10 grand! I imagine that a pulley and some tuning make it pretty close.

DRKS1D3 · 01-22-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nighttowl

At the track a hellcat with a CAI and slicks was running 11.80's.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by BadSport340

Last time I was at the track I saw a bone stock Hellcat running 11.80's consistently with a grandpa behind the wheel. With slicks they can/do run 10's easily.

Check out the ZL1 fast list here. Bone stock guys running 11.5's.

JDP Sales · 01-22-2016, 11:18 AM

You'll get em next time! Be safe

All the best,

Jared Royce
801.545.4215

KaBoom1701 · 01-22-2016, 11:31 AM

Leave this crap for the drag strip of track....

A freeway is not the place to be racing anything...too many unknowns variables on a public street.

newagemuscle · 01-22-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stc315

Side by side start freeway speed. Stayed very close. Closer than I expected. Final separation was less than a car length when I had to back off for traffic. My ZL1 is stock except for a cai. I was pleasantly surprised.

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In October (cool day) I was at the track with my car and saw a Charger Hellcat (auto) run a best of 11.20's 100% stock. He brought another set of wheels with drag radials on it and went 10.80's. trap speed all day long was around 124-126. Even a ZL1 hero run would not have touched it. They are heavier, but they have the ability to put the power down and are making more power than a ZL1. I'm not saying what you said didn't happen, but all things being equal it shouldnt be that close. Trap speed alone is much higher.

newagemuscle · 01-22-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

Check out the ZL1 fast list here. Bone stock guys running 11.5's.

yep... hero runs. No go to the track and tell me what they run consistantly... not 11.5's. Just saying...

Like I stated above... apples to apples, ZL1 loses every time. I'm a Chevy guy here... not some Dodge troll. Just telling it like it is.

DRKS1D3 · 01-22-2016, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by newagemuscle

yep... hero runs. No go to the track and tell me what they run consistantly... not 11.5's. Just saying...

Like I stated above... apples to apples, ZL1 loses every time. I'm a Chevy guy here... not some Dodge troll. Just telling it like it is.

Hero run or not, 11.5 is no joke. The point is, the ZL1 is capable of doing it.

On the other hand, the Hellcat is capable of doing it consistently. With a conservative 707hp rating, it better be able to outperform a 580hp machine on the 1/4 mile.

01-21-2016, 02:59 AM	#1
stc315 Drives: 2015 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Yuma Posts: 77	ZL1 vs. Hellcat Challenger Side by side start freeway speed. Stayed very close. Closer than I expected. Final separation was less than a car length when I had to back off for traffic. My ZL1 is stock except for a cai. I was pleasantly surprised. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk __________________ "Too much horsepower is almost enough!!!" Current Vehicles; 2015 ZL1 Ashen Gray, A6, #1130, built 4/9/15 2014 Ram Laramie Hemi 4x4 1970 Nova Black ZZ502/TH400

01-21-2016, 03:28 AM	#2
angryBits Drives: ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: CA Posts: 1,093	400lbs heavier. 60mm less rubber in back. Poorer weight distribution. The Hellcat actually carries the same amount of weight on its back as the ZL1 but 400lbs more on the front because of its front-biased weight distribution. With narrower tires out back and no additional weight on them, traction is bound to suffer during high torque. __________________ Current: 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 Mods: MPS4s Tires \| Borla Atak \| CF Steering Wheel Previous: 2018 ZL1 1LE M6 \| 2017 Z06 Z07 M7 \| 2017 GS A8 \| 2015 ZL1 M6 \| 2013 GT500

01-21-2016, 08:58 PM	#4
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,905 View My Garage	At the track a hellcat with a CAI and slicks was running 11.80's. Jeff __________________ "The salesman actually told me to stop getting it sideways during the test drive" 2018 MBM ZL1 1LE - 652 rwhp, 588 rwtq SAE 2014 CRT ZL1 574 rwhp, 537 rwtq - SOLD 2010 IBM SS Camaro VVT L99 w/ TR6060 swap, 489 rwhp, 444 rwtq - SOLD

01-22-2016, 12:21 AM	#8
stc315 Drives: 2015 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Yuma Posts: 77	I think it was closer because we were already going 70 when we lined up. I could tell the hellcat was a stick car because each time he shifted I would gain a little ground back. I had my ZL1 in Drive the whole time lol. I think I would have been closer if he didn't get a good jump on me because when I dropped the hammer, my traction control kicked (broke traction a little when the trans down shifted). I had to back off the throttle just a hair to get it to shut off, then floored it again. Funny thing is I almost bought one, but went Camaro because my Chevy dealer was willing to make a deal on my Z and the robbers...I mean Dodge dealers wanted to mark up the hellcat by 10 grand! I imagine that a pulley and some tuning make it pretty close. __________________ "Too much horsepower is almost enough!!!" Current Vehicles; 2015 ZL1 Ashen Gray, A6, #1130, built 4/9/15 2014 Ram Laramie Hemi 4x4 1970 Nova Black ZZ502/TH400

01-22-2016, 11:31 AM	#11
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,631	Leave this crap for the drag strip of track.... A freeway is not the place to be racing anything...too many unknowns variables on a public street. __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

01-21-2016, 10:55 PM	#5
15ZL1 Drives: 2015 ZL1 Join Date: May 2015 Location: ILLINOIS Posts: 109	I lined up against one last year and lost but not that bad a 10.75 to my 10.92. It will be a different outcome next time.

01-21-2016, 11:53 PM	#6
Snakedriver Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 288	Hellcats A8 bone stock on drag radials routinely Run high 10's.

01-22-2016, 11:18 AM	#10
JDP Sales Drives: Chevys at the limit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 9,621	You'll get em next time! Be safe All the best, Jared Royce 801.545.4215