Question About next suspension Mods, Control Arm/Upper Bushing/Crade Bushing. - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Joe.G · 12-17-2021, 08:51 AM

Hi,

Current mods are in Sig below.
At some point I think I would Change the Control arms in rear and I was thinking the Upper Bushings, I believe the cradle has to be lowered to do the Upper Bushings so I figured I would do the Cradle Bushings at that time.

I am trying to avoid having to avoid dropping the cradle twice, I should have done everything at once when I did the other mods. I am very Happy with the Hotckis brace and the only reason I would do the Cradle Bushings now is if I had to drop the rear cradle for some other reason.

I am in no rush to do this and will just collect the parts slowly.

https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...989&superpro=0

https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...171&superpro=0

https://www.phastekperformance.com/H...ix-he-x-cb.htm

hesster · 12-17-2021, 09:17 AM

I used the Trailing Arms and BK039 UCA Bushing Kit in my build. I did not go solid on the Rear Cradle Bushings, and used the BK024 Cradle Bushings.
You are correct to do all of the suspension mods possible to achieve a balanced approach. Cradle Bushings, Solid or Urethane, are a must.
Detail of my Build for reference:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...59#post8933659

SS 310H55A · 12-17-2021, 12:13 PM

If you’re going to drop the cradle, do the solid cradle bushings too. I did the z/28 solid upper bushings, z/28 rear arms, and Pegasus cradle bushings (before they shut down). The uppers are a bit of a pain to do but it’s not terrible if you’re experienced with wrenching on cars. You’ll definitely need to drop the cradle to do those.

Joe.G · 12-17-2021, 12:30 PM

The Z28 ones are getting harder to find at a decent price, The BMR ones appear to be a nice option.

TXM62SS · 12-17-2021, 01:43 PM

I have BMR's solid delrin cradle bushings. No issues at all. Great modification.

Joe.G · 12-17-2021, 02:01 PM

I am not sure if I want to do Delrin or aluminum for the cradle bushings, I'll probably keep the Hotckis brace on and like I said before I am very happy with it.

SS 310H55A · 12-18-2021, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe.G

The Z28 ones are getting harder to find at a decent price, The BMR ones appear to be a nice option.

I’ll let you in on a little known secret that isn’t too widely known throughout the Camaro community. The z/28 upper control arms come with the solid bushings and are available on gmpartsgiant. You can see in the description it’s for option FEA, which is the suspension code for the z/28. I can confirm with 100% certainty that they come with the solid bushings because this is how I scored a set.

Right rear upper control arm = 23104902
Left rear upper control arm = 23104903

Joe.G · 12-18-2021, 07:44 PM

Would the GM Z28 ones be better then say the BMR ones?

SS 310H55A · 12-18-2021, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe.G

Would the GM Z28 ones be better then say the BMR ones?

You’re talking delrin versus rubber. The delrin should perform better on a prepared track because it’s going to be a stiffer bushing. I’ve heard bad things start to happen to delrin when the bushings heat up but I’ve never run them so I can’t really speak from any real world experience. For a street driven car I Personally prefer to stick with rubber whenever possible.

spyderbuddy · 12-18-2021, 09:03 PM

well i found a Rear end out of A SS camaro
I'm going to replace the Broken Diff in the V6
I Just Figured on replaceing the hard to get to parts while the Cradle is Dropped
anyone got any ideas on this

Joe.G · 12-18-2021, 10:04 PM

So the Z28 ones are solid rubber ( no voids ) you are saying? I am will delrin bushings in this location cause more noise?

Joe.G · 12-19-2021, 08:37 AM

I found a the Z28 Bushings just not sure if that is the route i should go, Being they are no longer being produced by themselves the price is going to be about the same as the BMR.

racesloth · 12-19-2021, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS 310H55A

I’ll let you in on a little known secret that isn’t too widely known throughout the Camaro community. The z/28 upper control arms come with the solid bushings and are available on gmpartsgiant. You can see in the description it’s for option FEA, which is the suspension code for the z/28. I can confirm with 100% certainty that they come with the solid bushings because this is how I scored a set.

Right rear upper control arm = 23104902
Left rear upper control arm = 23104903

I put these rear uppers on when I added the solid bushings and ZL1 drive line.

1JEWLDSSRS · 12-19-2021, 10:06 AM

I installed these in my 2011 SS and it really tightened up the rear end! I got the Pegasus brand before the closed up, got them from JDP Motorsports on their advice, as they have a few cars they track race. Well worth the time to install them and price to purchase. The only thing is being solid billet aluminum, you pick up more NVH from the road and suspension.

https://www.phastekperformance.com/H...ix-he-x-cb.htm

12-17-2021, 08:51 AM	#1
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	Question About next suspension Mods, Control Arm/Upper Bushing/Crade Bushing. Hi, Current mods are in Sig below. At some point I think I would Change the Control arms in rear and I was thinking the Upper Bushings, I believe the cradle has to be lowered to do the Upper Bushings so I figured I would do the Cradle Bushings at that time. I am trying to avoid having to avoid dropping the cradle twice, I should have done everything at once when I did the other mods. I am very Happy with the Hotckis brace and the only reason I would do the Cradle Bushings now is if I had to drop the rear cradle for some other reason. I am in no rush to do this and will just collect the parts slowly. https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...989&superpro=0 https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...171&superpro=0 https://www.phastekperformance.com/H...ix-he-x-cb.htm __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-17-2021, 12:13 PM	#3
SS 310H55A Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Southern California Posts: 253	Question About next suspension Mods, Control Arm/Upper Bushing/Crade Bushing. If you’re going to drop the cradle, do the solid cradle bushings too. I did the z/28 solid upper bushings, z/28 rear arms, and Pegasus cradle bushings (before they shut down). The uppers are a bit of a pain to do but it’s not terrible if you’re experienced with wrenching on cars. You’ll definitely need to drop the cradle to do those. __________________ 2014 SS \| MGW Flat Stick shifter \| Raceseng Slammer shift knob \| Z/28 spoiler and grill

12-17-2021, 12:30 PM	#4
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	The Z28 ones are getting harder to find at a decent price, The BMR ones appear to be a nice option. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-17-2021, 01:43 PM	#5
TXM62SS Drives: 2012 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 393	I have BMR's solid delrin cradle bushings. No issues at all. Great modification. __________________ Victory Red 2012 2SS/RS LS3 Camaro Pat G. Spec Cam from Cam Motion 228/236 .599/.599 112+2LSA Kooks 1-7/8" LTs w/ Cats Roto-Fab, Bo White TB, Borla Touring Catback 3.91 1LE Gears, MGW Tuned by Pat G

12-17-2021, 02:01 PM	#6
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	I am not sure if I want to do Delrin or aluminum for the cradle bushings, I'll probably keep the Hotckis brace on and like I said before I am very happy with it. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-17-2021, 09:17 AM	#2
hesster Drives: '10 T/A Conv, '10 2SS, '77 SE T/A Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 874 View My Garage	I used the Trailing Arms and BK039 UCA Bushing Kit in my build. I did not go solid on the Rear Cradle Bushings, and used the BK024 Cradle Bushings. You are correct to do all of the suspension mods possible to achieve a balanced approach. Cradle Bushings, Solid or Urethane, are a must. Detail of my Build for reference: https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...59#post8933659

12-18-2021, 07:44 PM	#8
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	Would the GM Z28 ones be better then say the BMR ones? __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-18-2021, 09:03 PM	#10
spyderbuddy Drives: 2010 RS Inferno Orange Metallic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Albany, Ga. Posts: 3,472 View My Garage	well i found a Rear end out of A SS camaro I'm going to replace the Broken Diff in the V6 I Just Figured on replaceing the hard to get to parts while the Cradle is Dropped anyone got any ideas on this __________________ 2024 Camaro/Panther Emblem,Hot Wheels Emblems, Hot Wheels Door Sills and Floor Mats, Morimoto Fog Lights, PCP Hideaway Headlight Covers, BBK Headers & High Flow Cats, ZL1 Add-ons Wicker Bill, TL1/ZL1 Hood Insert, Gen5 DIY Frameless Mirror, ABL Dash Lighting & My link Navigation, Blacked out Rear Bowtie, all Sylvania led Turn Signals, Ceramic Window Tint By Nicks, MBRP Exhaust tips, GEN5 DIY Virginia Legal DRL Harness, Painted Brake Calipers, Vittesse Throttle Controller & Paddle Shifter Heritage Grill, Manual Shifter Boot, CNC Throttle Body, Trifecta Tune, Trunk Black out and Side Grills,

12-18-2021, 10:04 PM	#11
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	So the Z28 ones are solid rubber ( no voids ) you are saying? I am will delrin bushings in this location cause more noise? __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-19-2021, 08:37 AM	#12
Joe.G Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 6SP Ashen Grey Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: NY Posts: 1,657	I found a the Z28 Bushings just not sure if that is the route i should go, Being they are no longer being produced by themselves the price is going to be about the same as the BMR. __________________ GM 3.91/TrueTrac OEM ZL1 Rims, 6 Piston Brakes & Side Skirts.ACST4 Splitter/Deflectors NPP M2W,GM Short Throw,GPI Ported Rod Mod,BO White PTB,CAI/JRE Scoop, GC Aluminum DS,Stainless Works Ceramic LTH/HiFlo Cats, Hotckis 1" Springs & Chassis Max Brace BMR Adjustable Swaybars,Trailing Arms, Adjustable Toe Rod, LCA & Z28 UCA Bushings Hendrix Solid Cradle Bushings Pedders Radius Rod Inserts Strut tower brace, Moroso Catch Can,SCT X4 Dynosteve,Remote Clutch reservoir,Hero Smoked Tail and 3rd Brake Light, Diode Dynamic SL1 Fog Lights AeroForce Dual gauge/Autometer pillar mount.

12-19-2021, 10:06 AM	#14
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 13,692	I installed these in my 2011 SS and it really tightened up the rear end! I got the Pegasus brand before the closed up, got them from JDP Motorsports on their advice, as they have a few cars they track race. Well worth the time to install them and price to purchase. The only thing is being solid billet aluminum, you pick up more NVH from the road and suspension. https://www.phastekperformance.com/H...ix-he-x-cb.htm __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.