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hot ss · 10-20-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro1

i really would have liked to see a true cold air kit like the BWOODY kit,, they have been just keeping up with customer orders and do not have extra to send out at this time. hopefully another test in the future with units that did not make it for this test

i see bwoodys pic, and i wish they would have supplied an extension for the MAF, so it reads closer to the filter, not stuck in the pipe right beind where the hot rad air can blow on it. any other thoughts?

xtreme industries · 10-20-2009, 02:16 PM

so if the trim is a negative number, then you should get better gas mileage? am i right or wrong? just trying to understand.

thanks

REVOLUTIONSS · 10-20-2009, 02:18 PM

wow....awesome informative test , thanks ted and jannetty team for doing this.

mark_p · 10-20-2009, 02:23 PM

I had the same experience with the hennessey. It actually lost power on the dyno with the hood closed. I tried 4 different ones before I ended up with New Era OTR. Those IAT's staying the same means a TON when you go to tuning, running cams, exhaust etc, like I am.

hot ss · 10-20-2009, 02:27 PM

i just looked some more, i think that the bwoody kit, looks a lot like the fastlane one.
or maybe its the other way around.

EXTREME INDUSTRIES, trims are fine tuning on the cars end to try and get your car closer to commmanded AFR. +-4 trims are quite clean. +-20 is drivable, but not desired. in cowtown, davenport can tune you, i am sure many more can.

SRT10KLLR · 10-20-2009, 02:30 PM

I would have loved to have seen all the same tests done also with a tune. I believe that most people from this site and others will opt to also get there car tuned. A tune was the first (with just 45 kilometers on the clock) thing done to the Camaro. Granted, most regular folks will probably just install the first one they see in a magazine and call it a day.

ZZcamaro · 10-20-2009, 02:39 PM

Thanks for doing all of this work..it is helpful...
It does not match with what my dyno testing proved...but mine was tuned...

It is good to see what these things will do without tuning the car. There are plenty of variables on these also as hard as we try to control the variables we can never control them all.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-20-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hot ss

i just looked some more, i think that the bwoody kit, looks a lot like the fastlane one.
or maybe its the other way around.

EXTREME INDUSTRIES, trims are fine tuning on the cars end to try and get your car closer to commmanded AFR. +-4 trims are quite clean. +-20 is drivable, but not desired. in cowtown, davenport can tune you, i am sure many more can.

How do we know that if we don't know the AFR on the dyno.

And is a CAI not fine tuning a car.

broncosman · 10-20-2009, 02:43 PM

What are "Fuel Trims"? From what I understand, it's the leanness/richness of fuel consumption right? So the higher # the more fuel being consumed thus lowering your gas mileage?

kellyjrt · 10-20-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro1

negative fuel trims mean that the engine is running rich and the pcm is pulling fuel away from its fuel calculation to get the o2 readings were it wants them

positive fuel trims mean the engine is running lean and the pcm is adding fuel to its calculations to get the o2 readings were it wants them

when in closed loop the pcm is constantly trying to keep the a/f around 14.7-1, the fuel trims are the computer modifying/adjusting to keep the a/f the same

I read that as a small yes, for better fuel effeciency. thanks for the input. Now all they gotta do is make one for the v6, so my wife won't be at the station every other day.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-20-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

I would have loved to have seen all the same tests done also with a tune. I believe that most people from this site and others will opt to also get there car tuned. A tune was the first (with just 45 kilometers on the clock) thing done to the Camaro. Granted, most regular folks will probably just install the first one they see in a magazine and call it a day.

May be after the warranty is over, As you know gm is voiding warranty's if your car has a tune.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-20-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncosman

What are "Fuel Trims"? From what I understand, it's the leanness/richness of fuel consumption right? So the higher # the more fuel being consumed thus lowering your gas mileage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro1

negative fuel trims mean that the engine is running rich and the pcm is pulling fuel away from its fuel calculation to get the o2 readings were it wants them

positive fuel trims mean the engine is running lean and the pcm is adding fuel to its calculations to get the o2 readings were it wants them

when in closed loop the pcm is constantly trying to keep the a/f around 14.7-1, the fuel trims are the computer modifying/adjusting to keep the a/f the same

And now we see why we need the AFR in the tail pipe to se if it is running right.

Tech · 10-20-2009, 03:08 PM

has anyone heard of any gains on a ram air?

Infern0 · 10-20-2009, 03:16 PM

So it looks like "Cold Air Inductions" or "ADM Street" would be at the top if put in order of rank? Based on ease of installation (no modifications to the car necessary), reasonably high gains, no structural integrity problems (i.e. flimsy box, etc), as well as not leaning the car out too much (not sure if fuel trim should even be a factor, but these two were on the rich side vs lean). Sound accurate?

10-20-2009, 02:18 PM	#73
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10-20-2009, 02:30 PM	#76
SRT10KLLR Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Down South Posts: 1,497	I would have loved to have seen all the same tests done also with a tune. I believe that most people from this site and others will opt to also get there car tuned. A tune was the first (with just 45 kilometers on the clock) thing done to the Camaro. Granted, most regular folks will probably just install the first one they see in a magazine and call it a day. __________________ 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 RCSB Thunder Road Hemi Sport w/STS Turbo 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - Silver - Stock 2003 Chevy 1500 RCSB Stepside 400SS - 408 in now awaiting Turbo

10-20-2009, 02:43 PM	#79
broncosman Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 309	What are "Fuel Trims"? From what I understand, it's the leanness/richness of fuel consumption right? So the higher # the more fuel being consumed thus lowering your gas mileage? __________________ 2SS/RS with painted Rally Stripes http://www.h-towncamaroclub.com/index.php

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10-20-2009, 02:16 PM	#72
xtreme industries Drives: 2010 Camaro 2lt RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 548	so if the trim is a negative number, then you should get better gas mileage? am i right or wrong? just trying to understand. thanks

10-20-2009, 02:23 PM	#74
mark_p Drives: 2010 2SSRS m6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Memphis ntn Posts: 225	I had the same experience with the hennessey. It actually lost power on the dyno with the hood closed. I tried 4 different ones before I ended up with New Era OTR. Those IAT's staying the same means a TON when you go to tuning, running cams, exhaust etc, like I am.

10-20-2009, 02:27 PM	#75
hot ss Drives: aqua 2ss l99 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,215	i just looked some more, i think that the bwoody kit, looks a lot like the fastlane one. or maybe its the other way around. EXTREME INDUSTRIES, trims are fine tuning on the cars end to try and get your car closer to commmanded AFR. +-4 trims are quite clean. +-20 is drivable, but not desired. in cowtown, davenport can tune you, i am sure many more can.

10-20-2009, 02:39 PM	#77
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,699	Thanks for doing all of this work..it is helpful... It does not match with what my dyno testing proved...but mine was tuned... It is good to see what these things will do without tuning the car. There are plenty of variables on these also as hard as we try to control the variables we can never control them all.

10-20-2009, 03:08 PM	#83
Tech Tech Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 71	has anyone heard of any gains on a ram air?

10-20-2009, 03:16 PM	#84
Infern0 Bring It Drives: In Between Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,929 View My Garage	So it looks like "Cold Air Inductions" or "ADM Street" would be at the top if put in order of rank? Based on ease of installation (no modifications to the car necessary), reasonably high gains, no structural integrity problems (i.e. flimsy box, etc), as well as not leaning the car out too much (not sure if fuel trim should even be a factor, but these two were on the rich side vs lean). Sound accurate?