RS package

[skipj3]

Maybe an override setting in the DIC

[zebra]

Originally Posted by skipj3

Maybe an override setting in the DIC

i believe you just click the light switch back one notch

[earn88hardt]

you are wrong RS cars the fog lights only function as drl lights period If you don't believe this ask someone from GM

[jesserayjames]

Originally Posted by Sean_W

Regardless of what car you have, if it has DRL (and no matter where they are), they can can not be turned off or on. I would rather have DRL's in the foglamps than the actual headlights. I still don't quite get the whole DRL thing. Lights on in the daytime? Never quite understood that, but then again, I'm not the U.S. Goverment making these regulations.

If you don't get the RS, they will be in the headlighst then.

The Daytime Driving Lights are so the Sleepy drivers can see you LOL.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by jesserayjames

The Daytime Driving Lights are so the Sleepy drivers can see you LOL.

and so that the Police can get a visual first to radar you speeding "hey look at me, here I come"..lol

[GoldBowtie]

Originally Posted by PsyDoc

Ummm...no. Research, such as this, does not "prove" anything; the results only support the hypothesis. The study conducted by GM is methodologically lacking and does not do a good job with their pair-wise comparisons. They seemed to have taken a matched-assignment procedure, but failed to control for a number of other variables. The fact that GM had a vested interest in DRL's and was pushing for a federal mandate on them calls into question their objectivity.

A large-scale study by the Highway Loss Data Institute showed that "vehicles equipped with DRLs were involved in more accidents than similar vehicles without DRLs. The difference was minimal, but the meaning was straight forward, DRLs aggravate other motorists, obscure directional lights, "mask" other road users that don't have headlights on, or don't have headlights period (pedestrians and bicyclists) and their net effect on accident reduction is zero or worse."

Sounds like a Ford fable! GM considered DRL's long and hard before adding them since it added cost to every application and actually negatively affected fuel economy (something less than .5 mpg). But in the end, safety ruled.

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by earn88hardt

you are wrong RS cars the fog lights only function as drl lights period If you don't believe this ask someone from GM

That is correct. It's exactly what Scott said at the Philly Auto Show.

I'm hoping there's some way to defeat this and replace them with REAL fog lights.

I see so few vehicles on the road with DRL's, they've obviously gone down in 'popularity' with the companies. GM needs to eliminate them as well. At the very least they should be defeatable.

[KJS]

Originally Posted by earn88hardt

you are wrong RS cars the fog lights only function as drl lights period If you don't believe this ask someone from GM

Anybody (who knows definitively) (and NOT GUESSING because you own another GM make) really have the answer to the questions. With the 2010 Camaro with the RS package:
1) The fog lights are the DRLs - Yes or No
2) With the RS package will you be able to TURN OFF the DRL in the daytime? Yes or No
3) Will you be able to TURN ON the fog lights when your regular headlights are on? Yes or No
4) Will you be able to TURN ON the fog lights when you have your high beams on? Yes or No
Without the RS package:
5) What are the DRLs?
6) Can you turn them off? Yes or No?

[zebra]

Originally Posted by KJS

Anybody (who knows definitively) (and NOT GUESSING because you own another GM make) really have the answer to the questions. With the 2010 Camaro with the RS package:
1) The fog lights are the DRLs - Yes or No
2) With the RS package will you be able to TURN OFF the DRL in the daytime? Yes or No
3) Will you be able to TURN ON the fog lights when your regular headlights are on? Yes or No
4) Will you be able to TURN ON the fog lights when you have your high beams on? Yes or No
Without the RS package:
5) What are the DRLs?
6) Can you turn them off? Yes or No?

add under Without RS package:
7) How do you TURN ON/OFF the fog lights

[Matrix]

Ok I have a burning question. If the fogs are DRL then the Camaro 2SS is ILLEGAL in Canada. You CANNOT drive with fogs on in BC Canada, unless its foggy. I have been stopped by the cops and told this!! So what gives?

However, I still drive with the fogs ON. I think its a stupid ass law, just like tints LOL!!

[The_Blur]

Let's all calm down for a second. I think there are some positive points that we need to consider.

Wiring can be changed. Lights are easy to re-wire, and you can pretty much wire them to the power source however you want once you get the car.

Use correct vocabulary. The 2SS and the 1SS have the same fog lights as the LS, 1LT, and 2LT. If you're talking about Camaro fog lights, refer to the Camaro. It might make some people feel really good to talk about their more expensive trim, but we need to all come down to Earth and realize that your fully loaded 2SS is using the same components as a base LS. The only possible purchase that makes lights different in any way is the RS package, and that package does not influence the fog lights in any way.

GM knows the law. It will not produce a law-violating car. That is why we had some controversy about the prototypes with orange outside tail lights. If fog lights cannot be DRLs somewhere, then they won't be.

As a technicality, I agree with PsyDoc with regard to DRL studies. The results of such studies were not definitive enough to "prove" that they serve to make the roads significantly safer. While they may prevent some accidents indirectly, there is no replacement from simply driving safely.

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by stovt001

DRLs can be turned off. Not ordering an RS only because you thought they couldn't be was a mistake.

Exactly, and if you really did not want them on and there was no way to turn them off. Install a switch yourself, it shouldn't be too difficult.

Personally I like DRL's no matter where they are, it really is easier to see vehicles with the lights on in any climate/weather condition.

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by Matrix

Ok I have a burning question. If the fogs are DRL then the Camaro 2SS is ILLEGAL in Canada. You CANNOT drive with fogs on in BC Canada, unless its foggy. I have been stopped by the cops and told this!! So what gives?

However, I still drive with the fogs ON. I think its a stupid ass law, just like tints LOL!!

Isn't there a difference between fog lights and driving lights and head lights? Fog lights use to be Yellow/Amber in color, if it was a white light, it was considered to be a "driving" light, and we all know what the headlights look like.

Am I confused? GM may be calling them "Fog Lights" but unless they are yellow I don't think (at least in the USA) they are considered fog light, which I guess is a mute point if Canada does not have a distinct description.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Let's all calm down for a second. I think there are some positive points that we need to consider.

Wiring can be changed. Lights are easy to re-wire, and you can pretty much wire them to the power source however you want once you get the car.

Use correct vocabulary. The 2SS and the 1SS have the same fog lights as the LS, 1LT, and 2LT. If you're talking about Camaro fog lights, refer to the Camaro. It might make some people feel really good to talk about their more expensive trim, but we need to all come down to Earth and realize that your fully loaded 2SS is using the same components as a base LS. The only possible purchase that makes lights different in any way is the RS package, and that package does not influence the fog lights in any way.

GM knows the law. It will not produce a law-violating car. That is why we had some controversy about the prototypes with orange outside tail lights. If fog lights cannot be DRLs somewhere, then they won't be.

As a technicality, I agree with PsyDoc with regard to DRL studies. The results of such studies were not definitive enough to "prove" that they serve to make the roads significantly safer. While they may prevent some accidents indirectly, there is no replacement from simply driving safely.

THANK YOU ThANK YOU!!!!! Great POST!!