Do you want the Z28?

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

what if they had a FI DI V8 for it?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

400 to the wheels shouldnt be too much to ask right?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

What if we're all wrong about the LSA and they have a DI V8 for it?

Blasphemy!!! j/k That seems to go against what I've read, but I know I haven't seen anything. It was stated in A Legend Reborn that the LSA was being considered, so that's as clear and understanding of GM's intent that I have.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

400 to the wheels shouldnt be too much to ask right?

I think, personally, that's being pretty conservative. Many contend that Z28 should loose weight, but I don't think that's where GM's going to go; I mean, remove content from the car for a higher model? I'm not so sure about that. They didn't loose content with the ZR1. They added more power and lost some weight with carbon fiber but that was for a $100K 'Vette, not a Camaro. I don't think many are going to pay $60K for a Camaro, although I think there are definately those out there with the means. If GM were really thinking about it, they should still make Z28 available for the masses, at least comparable to the GT500. Isn't that the competition? I guess I'm just trying to say that 400 RWHP wouldn't be enough for me, personally, especially if the car remains about the same weight as the SS - I don't see GM using magnesium and carbon fiber on Camaro - period. Having said that, I remain steadfast on the LSA. I don't recall many engines GM has made that were specific to only ONE vehicle (except for Corvette), and I don't think the CTS-V was the only car to have the LSA. I mean - TWO engines for two separate cars with limited production? I can only think of the 'Vette having it's own dedicated engine (that wasn't a high volume selling model, like a truck or SUV) and maybe the XLR.

Until GM announces the DI for a Z06 or ZR1, I don't foresee Z28 getting the DI until at least a year later. Who knows though? I don't think anyone can argue a DI V8 not getting better mileage than a SC'd 6.2...

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I think, personally, that's being pretty conservative. Many contend that Z28 should loose weight, but I don't think that's where GM's going to go; I mean, remove content from the car for a higher model? I'm not so sure about that. They didn't loose content with the ZR1. They added more power and lost some weight with carbon fiber but that was for a $100K 'Vette, not a Camaro. I don't think many are going to pay $60K for a Camaro, although I think there are definately those out there with the means. If GM were really thinking about it, they should still make Z28 available for the masses, at least comparable to the GT500. Isn't that the competition? I guess I'm just trying to say that 400 RWHP wouldn't be enough for me, personally, especially if the car remains about the same weight as the SS - I don't see GM using magnesium and carbon fiber on Camaro - period. Having said that, I remain steadfast on the LSA. I don't recall many engines GM has made that were specific to only ONE vehicle (except for Corvette), and I don't think the CTS-V was the only car to have the LSA. I mean - TWO engines for two separate cars with limited production? I can only think of the 'Vette having it's own dedicated engine (that wasn't a high volume selling model, like a truck or SUV) and maybe the XLR.

Until GM announces the DI for a Z06 or ZR1, I don't foresee Z28 getting the DI until at least a year later. Who knows though? I don't think anyone can argue a DI V8 not getting better mileage than a SC'd 6.2...

its been an age old trend that the camaro gets the corvette motor a year or two later. so maybe a 2010/2011 DI vette, then we get it the following year in our Z28? but from the way things are now, the LSA would be the best choice. I wonder what the mileage would be on a 450+hp DI V8....

[boxmonkeyracing]

Hey rad u know I'm one of those that want the Z to weigh less then the ss. But I'm with u on cost of such a camaro.


For the Z to lose weight and add hp to the level we want it'd take some exotic materials to lighten it up. And that drives the cost way up. So you would be talking about a 80k camaro.

Sorry I can't afford such a camaro even if I sold my soul; which I would to own this car.

I personally would like to see a di v8 with forged internals and supercharged. Now that would be a force to be reckoned with.

[UsedTaHaveA68]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

its been an age old trend that the camaro gets the corvette motor a year or two later. so maybe a 2010/2011 DI vette, then we get it the following year in our Z28? but from the way things are now, the LSA would be the best choice. I wonder what the mileage would be on a 450+hp DI V8....

With two exceptions, for those trivia lovers:

1) In 1967, the ONLY car you could get a then-new 350 in was a Camaro SS.
2) In 1970, the then-new LT-1 was available in both the Camaro Z/28 and the Corvette. 360hp for the Camaro, 370 for the Corvette.

Either way, if I find out that the Corvette is getting a DI v-8 for 2011, I'm definitely waiting for the Camaro to get it, even if it is a year or two later.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

its been an age old trend that the camaro gets the corvette motor a year or two later. so maybe a 2010/2011 DI vette, then we get it the following year in our Z28? but from the way things are now, the LSA would be the best choice. I wonder what the mileage would be on a 450+hp DI V8....

Considering we're at, what, 24 or something for the LS3, maybe 27 freeway... But that's less than 25 more horse than an LS3. Still, I'm not going to cry over getting more power, perse, I just want as much as possible. I won't argue with 550+ horsepower and a 5 year/100K mile warranty, ya' feel me? That would keep weight lower though; no one's going to argue an LSA Z28 is going to exceed 4000 lbs...

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Hey rad u know I'm one of those that want the Z to weigh less then the ss. But I'm with u on cost of such a camaro.

For the Z to lose weight and add hp to the level we want it'd take some exotic materials to lighten it up. And that drives the cost way up. So you would be talking about a 80k camaro.

Sorry I can't afford such a camaro even if I sold my soul; which I would to own this car.

I personally would like to see a di v8 with forged internals and supercharged. Now that would be a force to be reckoned with.

OH - I know buddy I've never argued the way you're proposing was not as good as a heavier LSA (well - not intentionally ) but it's the whole cost-thing. Honestly, if I'm going to spend more than $60K for a Camaro (which I couldn't afford anyways) I'd seriously be looking at a CTS-V! I LOVE how they look, and they just flat-out run. I guess I, like many of you, feel the LSA, is just the cheapest way to get there (not the most traditional, by any stretch).

Now - the SC'd DI V8 would be stupid cool

What I DO know is I better start wh*ring myself on the street so I could even think about affording a car like this, LOL!

Originally Posted by UsedTaHaveA68

With two exceptions, for those trivia lovers:

1) In 1967, the ONLY car you could get a then-new 350 in was a Camaro SS.
2) In 1970, the then-new LT-1 was available in both the Camaro Z/28 and the Corvette. 360hp for the Camaro, 370 for the Corvette.

Either way, if I find out that the Corvette is getting a DI v-8 for 2011, I'm definitely waiting for the Camaro to get it, even if it is a year or two later.

I completely forgot about the LT-1! My bad, LOL! Thanks for the info'

[ShnOmac]

My money is ready for a deposit on a Z28....... just throwin it out there *Coughs*Camaroscotty*Coughs*.....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

its been an age old trend that the camaro gets the corvette motor a year or two later. so maybe a 2010/2011 DI vette, then we get it the following year in our Z28? but from the way things are now, the LSA would be the best choice. I wonder what the mileage would be on a 450+hp DI V8....

I'd say ... 26 highway, at least.

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Hey rad u know I'm one of those that want the Z to weigh less then the ss. But I'm with u on cost of such a camaro.


For the Z to lose weight and add hp to the level we want it'd take some exotic materials to lighten it up. And that drives the cost way up. So you would be talking about a 80k camaro.

Well yeah, if it 3400 lbs is the goal. But I wonder what would be gained from fiber glass fenders and doors, and a removal of 1/2 the sound deadening? Could it be down to 3700 lbs? I don't know but I think its possible without getting too expensive. And GM could get the LS3 in the 475-500 range if they wanted to without much trouble, while keeping it emissions legal.

[Fandango]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

My money is ready for a deposit on a Z28....... just throwin it out there *Coughs*Camaroscotty*Coughs*.....

I right there with you. If one of the moderators would like to start a fresh Z28 thread and maybe get Scott (fbodfather) in on it too. I mean this site has pleanty of pull with GM's marketers and will listen. Offer insight, needs and wants, etc. It's only a matter of time that GM rights itself and starts getting this project together. And before that happens, I think it's in GM's best inerest to get it right before they begin production. This site maybe equivilant to a couple million in research and developement and it's FREE!

[blacksupersport]

I think GM should of brought the line up back the way it has always been. my Z/28 has the upgraded package aka as the SS model. the SS was always the top HP model and the Z was more of the handling package up until they GM brought it back than the SS was the higher HP model. i love all camaros they should just keep things the way they have always been. IMO

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Fandango

I right there with you. If one of the moderators would like to start a fresh Z28 thread and maybe get Scott (fbodfather) in on it too. I mean this site has pleanty of pull with GM's marketers and will listen. Offer insight, needs and wants, etc. It's only a matter of time that GM rights itself and starts getting this project together. And before that happens, I think it's in GM's best inerest to get it right before they begin production. This site maybe equivilant to a couple million in research and developement and it's FREE!

I'm pretty sure they keep track of all the existing Z28 threads we have. Besides, they already know what they would do and we think we know what they would do. Its mostly a question of should they do it. Anyone know if there's a number at GM to call to offer product ideas?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by blacksupersport

I think GM should of brought the line up back the way it has always been. my Z/28 has the upgraded package aka as the SS model. the SS was always the top HP model and the Z was more of the handling package up until they GM brought it back than the SS was the higher HP model. i love all camaros they should just keep things the way they have always been. IMO

read this thread completely. the Z28/SS top dog issue has been gone over repeatedly.

more HP doesnt always mean its the fastest/best.

[BDA]

I will order one the day they offer a 500+ hp version - Z28/SS/whatever

Would like to see:
-Supercharged
-light weight
-Nimble

Just like everyone else

What we HAVE to see:

Hot Rod for well under $50,000