Do you want the Z28?

[THE EVIL TW1N]

I'd be scared to use the LSA in trying to make any serious hp with the hyper pistons GM threw in there. That's one corner GM cut that always leaves me scratching my head.

[justmeron]

Originally Posted by radz282003

The LSA is a variant on the LS3 (6.2L V8 with a 1900cc supercharger bolted on.) The LSA, in the CTS-V makes almost 560 horsepower. Yes - it would be more powerful and is stronger to cope with the additional power, over what is currently in the SS.

It sounds to me that you are possibly more familiar with the more traditional hierarchy of the SS and Z28, where the SS had more power but handled at a lower level than the Z28. Assuming this is the case, the roles may have changed (I only say this because GM isn't offering a Z28 yet, nor have announced plans to.) If GM wanted to follow tradition, then I would say that your statement as to the SS being the top dog would be correct however, it seems to me that SS has be relegated (I say that very loosely, because I don't think it is any less inferior at all) to spread over onto many other model lines within Chevy. It seems, to me, that the ZXX designations are being reserved for more special/super-high-performance models (i.e. Z06, ZR1, etc.) Having said that, whether-or-not the Z28 should have the LSA is a moot point, I suppose at this point, since the SS already has the LS3. I think that this direction, with the Z28 is a good one, even if it isn't in-line with tradition. I just cross my fingers GM pulls it off, and it's affordable enough for me to get one.

Hey
Thanks for that clarification. Yes I am fam with the traditional role of the SS being top dog. Now that You explained it a bit. I can see the diff. Like the ZR1 is the top vett. etc. I alos noticed on ebay on some of the first gen camaro's there was one listed as a SS/Z28. I thought that looked incorrect to me. Was there such a car.
And yes again thanks, I remember back in the 70's and 80's when the SS was the top dog, but now I have a better understanding.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by justmeron

Hey
Thanks for that clarification. Yes I am fam with the traditional role of the SS being top dog. Now that You explained it a bit. I can see the diff. Like the ZR1 is the top vett. etc. I alos noticed on ebay on some of the first gen camaro's there was one listed as a SS/Z28. I thought that looked incorrect to me. Was there such a car.
And yes again thanks, I remember back in the 70's and 80's when the SS was the top dog, but now I have a better understanding.

No, there weren't SS/Z28s. Z28s were strickly small blocks and SSs went from small blocks to big blocks. I've never read or seen anything about an SS/Z28 though.

Just for clarification - I'm not claiming to understand exactly what Chevy is doing with the SS and ZXX nameplates. I'm mearly commenting on what it seems like, in my opinion. I'm one of those who say that, in this day and age, in Chrevrolet, about any car/truck can be an SS, but not all can be a ZXX - ya' know? I don't necessarily think that makes the SS any less of a car, it's a different approach than what Z-cars are.

JMVHO

[Vash]

My suggestion is they let one of there 3rd party Performance Partners make Z28.

This is kinda how GT500 is getting built.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I'd be scared to use the LSA in trying to make any serious hp with the hyper pistons GM threw in there. That's one corner GM cut that always leaves me scratching my head.

I wonder about that too. Why not keep the forged units from the LS9, leave the Ti rods go, and call it a day! Since they're bragging about the results of the 'Ring test for the CTS-V, it seems they're implying it's okay to race; that being my assumption, they're saying they engineered the car for the track, so it should be just fine there. That's a dangerous assumption, IMHO, but other LS-engines have lived under those power levels with success for a long time, and the LSA does have oil jets to help control piston heat, so maybe that's the saving grace

I agree with you though

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Vash

My suggestion is they let one of there 3rd party Performance Partners make Z28.

This is kinda how GT500 is getting built.

No it's not. GT500 is completely in-house with the Shelby name slapped on.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I wonder about that too. Why not keep the forged units from the LS9, leave the Ti rods go, and call it a day! Since they're bragging about the results of the 'Ring test for the CTS-V, it seems they're implying it's okay to race; that being my assumption, they're saying they engineered the car for the track, so it should be just fine there. That's a dangerous assumption, IMHO, but other LS-engines have lived under those power levels with success for a long time, and the LSA does have oil jets to help control piston heat, so maybe that's the saving grace

I agree with you though

I'm sure at the stock LSA power levels it will hold up fine, but I'm not so sure about when people start to get really serious and start pushing 600+ rwhp.

not sure if written already but what do you the z28 would go for .im thinking about 65000thousand

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by mrpre10der

not sure if written already but what do you the z28 would go for .im thinking about 65000thousand

I'm thinking that is a little high. A new CTS V is right around the 63K number.

I'm thinking a Z28 with LSA is 45-55.

[htron50]

Cheryl Pilchers comments were back in July 08 when gas as $4. The camaro z-28 is all but finished in design.

Back in the 60's the SS was the "standard" high performance model. Yes you could order and SS with a variety of engines. For instance, it would be nice to order a 2010 camaro and be able to have the Vette motor as an option (the ZR1 Version). Back then, the Z-28 was a small block SPECIALLY produced engine ONLY available with the Z-28 option. You could NOT get the Z-28 motor in any SS Camaro. The Z-28 had racing internals and specs much higher than most any SS. Solid lifters. Special cam. Special heads. The list goes on. Special brakes. etc etc.

Im holding out for a Z-28. There just isnt anything better.http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/chevy.gif

[Caliman93230]

if I don't see it I don't belive it,

[justmeron]

Originally Posted by htron50

Cheryl Pilchers comments were back in July 08 when gas as $4. The camaro z-28 is all but finished in design.

Back in the 60's the SS was the "standard" high performance model. Yes you could order and SS with a variety of engines. For instance, it would be nice to order a 2010 camaro and be able to have the Vette motor as an option (the ZR1 Version). Back then, the Z-28 was a small block SPECIALLY produced engine ONLY available with the Z-28 option. You could NOT get the Z-28 motor in any SS Camaro. The Z-28 had racing internals and specs much higher than most any SS. Solid lifters. Special cam. Special heads. The list goes on. Special brakes. etc etc.

Im holding out for a Z-28. There just isnt anything better.http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/chevy.gif

Kewl,
Thanks for the info. very informative.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I'm sure at the stock LSA power levels it will hold up fine, but I'm not so sure about when people start to get really serious and start pushing 600+ rwhp.

If I could get up to between 550-600 RWHP, I'd be happy and content. If the LSA could live reliably there, I'll have no complaints

Originally Posted by gtahvit

I'm thinking that is a little high. A new CTS V is right around the 63K number.

I'm thinking a Z28 with LSA is 45-55.

Shoot, get me a $45K Z28 with leather and a stick, and I'll be one happy MoFo

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Hylton

How many here who are asking GM to build the car, would actually buy it? Are you willing to pay 40k for an LS9 Camaro? Doubt half of those asking would actually buy it.

$40k for an LS9 camaro? I would slap that down in a heartbeat. however, I dont see an LS9 camaro for that price. an LSA camaro would fit that price range

Originally Posted by Beechdoctor

Not at the production level it wouldn't...add about $15K for the blower, titanium parts, dry oil sump, and to beef up the drive line. "Build it and they will come!"

I think that price for just the motor, not the whole car.

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Who said its going to be a LS9.........

Originally Posted by lnsjr1

GO to MOTORTREND.com for the latest scope on the Z28.

or re-read this thread.

Originally Posted by UsedTaHaveA68

Both quoted for truth. I'd like to see:

LS-7 Z/28
LSA ZL-1

A Z/28 has never had FI. Nor should it ever. The ZL-1 was the top dawg back then, even if there were only 69 built.

LSA ZL1? seriously? if you are making a ZL1 why not put the LS9 into it?

the way I see it. since the LS7 is on its way out the door anyway,

Z28 - LSA
ZL1 - LS9

Z28 can be mass produced
ZL1 can be limited edition and charge whatever you want.

Originally Posted by Vash

OMG 400 HP not enough?

99% of people asking for Z28 could not afford to buy a new one if it was above the SS trim level, which was a mistake to ever let happen in the first place.

maybe. buy 99% of the people who COULD afford to buy the car arent on the forum. they are the regular buyers out there.

Originally Posted by justmeron

Cool thanks, I think the SS should be the top model. Super Sport. Super means the best or top. Just my opinion as I know many on here feel the Z28 should be the top or super model.

just your opinion is wrong....lol

Originally Posted by justmeron

What do you not understand? This is only my thought just off the top of my head. The SS should be the top, hence Super Sport, SS. Be nice if the current SS became a Z28 and then GM made a super charged motor for the SS. Also early on GM had mentioned the thought of a 4cyl model. That could be the base and the current LT could be the Z28. So short answer (in my opinion) is yes the Z28 should be between the base and SS model. Again just my opinion, I am not a car buff or collector.

they wont turn the current SS into the Z28. you are probably used to the mindset that a lot of people are in due to the 4th gens. the camaro was already on the chopping block when the 4th gen camaro's came out. GM only planned on building 2 models. a base model and a top dog. then in 96, SLP started modifying Z28s and rebadging them as SS's. GM jumped on board and the SS/Z28 was the top dog at that point.

SS's in the past have almost always been the straight line power houses. the Z28 has always been the all around champion. GM is doing it right this time, starting out with a base model and the SS, then (hopefully) in a few years, bring out the Z28. then if we are really lucky, bring in the real powerhouse top dog.... the ZL1.


as for the 4cyl. GM tried it and it sucked balls in this car.

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

Umm... Scotty did confirm the LSA in the Z28 last week guys....

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=LSA

ummm.... did you read what he posted?
here, I'll highlight the main word in that quote...

AS reported on gminsider news:
Camaro: Unless plans change, the Camaro Convertible should go into production next year as a 2011 model. It was supposed to start production shortly after the coupe this year, but due to GM’s financial situation that was pushed back. On regular Camaro, expect a navigation system, head-up display, and rear parking assist to be added to the option list. The coveted Z28 variant of the Camaro is said to be on hold pending the company’s financial situation, but if the hold is lifted it could make it to the 2011 model-year powered by the Supercharged 6.2L LSA V8 with 556 HP.

could. its like the word "if" by that I mean that by next year we could have an even better engine to put in this thing.

Originally Posted by justmeron

The LAS? Would that motor be bigger/stronger than the current SS motor??

LSA is better

Originally Posted by justmeron

Oh I agree I would not want a 4cyl and was tough to decide on the 6. But just talking. Way back like a year or so ago I read some articles where GM mentioned it was something they were thinking about.

they thought about it, tried it, and it didnt perform better than the base v6 so they scrapped it.

Originally Posted by justmeron

Nevermind, I googled it. That is a hell of a motor. That would be a lot stronger than the Current SS motor. Shouldnt the current SS become the Z28 and the new SS have the LSA motor???

no. the SS is the current top level camaro. the Z28 (if produced) will be the all around top dog. it will live up to its hallowed name.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I'd be scared to use the LSA in trying to make any serious hp with the hyper pistons GM threw in there. That's one corner GM cut that always leaves me scratching my head.

dunno. maybe we'll get lucky with the hypers.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I'm sure at the stock LSA power levels it will hold up fine, but I'm not so sure about when people start to get really serious and start pushing 600+ rwhp.

only one way to find out.

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

if I don't see it I don't belive it,

pretty much.