01-16-2024, 01:51 PM | #15 |
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People supporting ev's here don't live in cold northern states where temps in the winter can become well below 32 degrees. Lithium batteries do not charge well or not at all below 32. This greatly restricts where ev's are practical.
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01-16-2024, 02:05 PM | #16 |
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Your Tesla experience is not the rule. I have a physician colleague who is not at all satisfied with Tesla and customer service. We are in central PA. He’s also not satisfied with the price as compared to quality of the interior as compared to his other vehicles. To each his own but he has real range anxiety and constantly complains about how charge is depleted at interstate speeds. He’s had customer service issues and said with the exception of Range Rovers, it’s the worse. I’m glad others have better experiences but it’s not the rule for everyone. No vehicle is perfect but I would never want to be stranded in an EV in a winter storm and no charger in site.
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01-16-2024, 02:39 PM | #18 |
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Absolutely correct!
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01-16-2024, 03:08 PM | #19 |
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You lose some range in the freezing weather, and I can only speak for Tesla, but they heat and cool their batteries for optimal temps. Again, I come back to, if the range of the vehicle is a real world 250-300 miles on a full charge and let's just say its 150-200 miles in 0 degree temps, as long as your round trip commute is less than 150 miles which the overwhelming majority of people are, then you're still in good shape.
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01-16-2024, 03:30 PM | #20 | |
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01-16-2024, 03:59 PM | #21 |
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Not to mention a ZL1 will be worth something in 10-20 years, a ZL1-1LE much more so. Of course very low mileage garage kept cars will fetch a real premium. Most EV's will essentially be worthless in 10 years, and a financial liability in 15- 20 years. Who would buy a 10 year old EV with the possibility of a 20-30k battery replacement looming ? If you can even get a battery for a 20 year old EV in the future, what will it cost then, and what will it cost to dispose of your toxic old half ton battery ?
I've read that a lot of insurance companies are considering dropping EV's, they are too much of a financial liability. A lot of body shops refuse to work on them as well. The smallest little bump or fender bender with an EV and the insurance company will total the car, they want no parts of possible environmental issues or fires from a damaged battery. Something as simple as going over a speed bump too fast could total your car. |
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Not true, even with the upcoming elimination of inspections. It basically changes nothing. All 17 counties listed in that article require emissions testing now. |
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01-16-2024, 04:31 PM | #23 | |
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The Two-Speed Idle test is for older vehicles that do not possess the on-board diagnostic system that cars today are equipped with. The OBDII test utilizes a scan tool that plugs directly into the vehicle’s internal computer and analyzes the data to determine whether the emissions system and its related components are working properly. Most often, if your vehicle is experiencing any sort of emissions malfunction, the internal computer will trigger the Check Engine light to come on. Oh and to add insult to injury with California vs Texas conversation, it costs less than $125.00 to register ANY car in texas, my ZL1 here in Cali $1,000.00....California is the laughing stock of the US.
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That's a whole lot of "they don't but they do". We get it, you hate EV's but you're wrong about Texas and you don't live there. I do, and I have to deal with it annually. Considering your entire rant was about California overreaching by requiring testing, being able to cheat it with a tool like HP tuners is irrelevant since I'm still required by law to have it done if I want to register my car. Quote:
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You have to deal with a full smog test similar to California in Texas? Visual, sniffer, OBDII read, everything? In a post 1995 year vehicle? FYI this was taken verbatim off the Texas website. "Vehicles produced in 1995 and prior will receive a Two Speed Idle Test while vehicles produced in and after 1996 will be tested via the On-Board Diagnostic test." The Two-Speed Idle test is for older vehicles that do not possess the on-board diagnostic system that cars today are equipped with. The OBDII test utilizes a scan tool that plugs directly into the vehicle’s internal computer and analyzes the data to determine whether the emissions system and its related components are working properly. Most often, if your vehicle is experiencing any sort of emissions malfunction, the internal computer will trigger the Check Engine light to come on. Starting beginning of March I will be living there, I spoke to the local ordinances when it comes to smog on what does and doesn't fly as far as emissions goes. They literally sent me to the website that i got the bold above from. Where exactly in Texas do you live?
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You're arguing something completely different from your initial statement. You were complaining about California requiring emissions testing and then said it doesn't even exist in Texas. Now you're arguing that the testing methods are different and since you can cheat the tests in Texas that somehow nullifies their existence. |
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01-16-2024, 05:13 PM | #28 |
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Does California charge less for your registration as the car ages and depreciates ?
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