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05-10-2024, 08:34 PM | #58 | |
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05-10-2024, 11:51 PM | #60 | |
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The fact is, GM killed off every car that would keep it competitive. My wife only bought Grand Prix...until they were killed off. then she moved to a LaCrosse...until it was killed off. Now she has an Acadia which she doesnt love. I desperately wanted to buy a new ZLE but my in laws couldnt order one because of limited production. I would have ordered every damned option I could have gotten. We would have bought at least one Impala. Because of idiotic GM's BS, I wont buy another GM product, period. Congrats GM, I'm now a foreign car buyer. |
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05-11-2024, 08:02 AM | #61 | |
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But wait! Toyota makes Tundra! That’s a full sized truck, right? Check Tundra volume vs F150, Silverado, Sierra, or Ram 1500. Then consider that Toyota is putting hybrids on practically everything, including Tundra and it’s easy to see why they aren’t worried about CAFE.
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05-11-2024, 08:37 AM | #62 | |
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05-11-2024, 09:24 AM | #63 |
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I feel like the lower (LT) Equinox trims could easily be fixed.
It's the plastic upper dash that just screams CHEAP, and the use of urethane steering wheels. The seats are also too narrow or need less pronounced bolsters, but that's highly subjective - I'm a big tall dude. |
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Ahhhh, Sedans, one of my favorite topics. I always thought they were under rated and ignored intentionally by the makers and others to promote EVs and SUVs. "It's a dying segment", even though, for instance, last quarter the Malibu nearly outsold the entire Cadillac line-up. Sure sedans from gm will die off. Every time one is cancelled even though sales weren't that bad, like the Cruz (well you can get an Impala or a Malibu!), then the Impala (well you can get a Malibu, its almost the same now as the Impala), now the Malibu itself is gone. No wonder sedans are touted as un-popular. Hard to buy one if they don't make one and the manufacturer (gm) portrays it as a turkey for many years that needs to go. A big reason gm and chevy brand loyalty is a waste of time and brain-power. Prior customers are just saps who kept buying cars they want to get rid of. Oh well. I don't buy the sales excuse or any of the other so-called rationale for ending cars like the Malibu. GM used to be able to have the most models and types of cars for sale, now they could care less, even though its sales are decent, the trend card and "we made plans to use the plant for something else" doesn't always pass the smell test. Build another plant for Pete's sake, and stop eliminating others like Lordstown. My Chevy and gm brand loyalty days are over and done. Nothing they do surprises me anymore or gets my interest. But, I love my '17 Impala! Last of the Tried and true 6speed auto and V-6 as well as no start-stop or cylinder de-activation. Runs like a top, trouble free for over six years now. I love it. Too bad they are all gone now. |
05-11-2024, 12:23 PM | #65 | |
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So, Cruze drops and Impala and Malibu are left standing. So what does GM do next? Increase the shadow area of the Malibu to almost the same as Impala and then drop Impala. Because Malibu is much lighter than Impala and has almost the same shadow area, it will have a much easier time meeting the CAFE curve than Impala. Your point that since Malibu sold almost as many cars as all of Cadillac in 2023 GM should have kept it is interesting, especially knowing how you feel about electric vehicles. So using your logic, Model 3 should be allowed to stick around. After all, it is a sedan. And it sold almost as many units in the US in 2023 as Malibu and all of Cadillac combined. I’m not sure when and where GM “proclaims it [Malibu] as a turkey”. Malibu had its place in the portfolio. It did its job. Now sales are dropping and there’s no motivation to invest in a replacement. Equinox does the job better. And Trailblazer, and Trax. That’s what’s replacing the Malibu volume.
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https://youtu.be/Inp7UlMgFOA?si=qL0H6KaoJG4EaC1f Come on down to SW Florida and look at the number of Seniors in SUVs. And 30,000 in a quarter on a car that likely is losing money isn’t enough. But the real issue, as announced, GM is shutting the plant down for a year. So is the Malibu selling well enough now to warrant bringing it back almost 2 years from now? It sure won’t sell better so my guess is the new Bolt will take its place in January 2026 when the plant reopens. So the real announcement is “GM is shutting the plant down for a year starting the end of 2024 . And when production resumes in late 2025 the 10 year old Malibu will not go back into production”
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05-12-2024, 01:19 PM | #68 | |
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EV platforms are harder to develop and take longer for the first application. But variants can and should come quicker. Once Tesla developed the skateboard for Model 3, Model Y followed relatively quickly and went on to become the high volume application, produced in (4) plants globally. GM’s Ultium BEV3 platform was late coming to market (Lyriq) but expect to see variant after variant pop over the next year (Blazer EV and Equinox EV out now. Cadillac Optiq and Vistiq to follow soon, then a Buick model or models). Hyundai is doing the same thing. Now that they have their basic platform, they have introduced Ionic 5, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60, Kia EV9 and have several more products positioned for release in 2024 and 2025. Part of the draw of moving to high volume EV for legacy automakers is that they can do multiple vehicles of different sizes and values using the same basic platform instead of multiple billion dollar plus architectures. Then variations can be launched with different tophats in relatively short order.
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Since government regs are continuing to kill off choice, you'd think these companies would openly ask the U.S. public to pressure the government to roll back regulations. The eventuality is they will be nearly ran out of business anyway. |
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