Thoughts for the day camaro VS X

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I thought the LS3 had 10.7:1 compression?

I think he's implying that the difference between 10.7:1 and 11:1 isnt all that great.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I think he's implying that the difference between 10.7:1 and 11:1 isnt all that great.

Definitely.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by MADBOWTIE

I like camaros, that is why I bought a new Super Sport and why I am on a camaro forum. If I was not mechanicly inclined and wanted to out run a GT500 I would buy a Z06 and kill GT500's and turdmanators at will with a nearly stock car. Fortunatly I like to work on my cars so I will tinker with the SS until it's performance fits my needs. Headers,check x pipe and 3" exhaust, check 3.6 LC Kennie Bell, comeing soon. I really enjoy working on the camaro almost as much as I am going to enjoy wipeing the smug look off of the GT500 and terminator crowd.

i appreciate you enthusiasm. while you will kill some gt500's, they have a stock short block limit of 700rwhp. that is achieved by changing blowers, heads, and tune. they do weigh more than you.

but terminators have no such limit. their short block is 1000crank hp ready the day it left the factory. and they weigh less than you. a termi is a few bolt-ons and a screw away from 700-800rwhp. or just a turbo swap away. the termi will split its iron block if raced all the time at that level, but they can be powered higher.


defeating pig heavy gt500's with their puny 700rwhp limit is one thing. a termi with screw swap is a whole other animal. IMO.

the Z06 is a perfect combination of low weight, aerodynamics, and power. no arguing its badass. a Z weighs 600lbs less than you.

[Sax1031]

That 700rwhp limit on stock 5.4 shortblocks must not be set in stone.

My friend has a 2009 GT500 that has a kenne bell blower, injectors, throttle bodies, exhaust, cai, and tune and puts down 826rwhp with nothing touched inside the motor.

I do think he is taking his chances with the stock rods though.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Can we get a link to the above?


The 5.0 is pretty maxxed out. The 4.6 is going to be the better mod motor, more boost friendly and bolt-on friendly. With that said, even with every bolt on possible you're going to be quite a few hp short from the 5.0.

how many 4.6 and 5.0 coyote's have you modded? i dont know where to start in that post.


short: full bolt on 4.6 03-04 4v = 343 rwhp.ben99gt... he is the champion.
...stock 5.0 coyote = 370rwhp.

man i dont know what to say.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

That 700rwhp limit on stock 5.4 shortblocks must not be set in stone.

My friend has a 2009 GT500 that has a kenne bell blower, injectors, throttle bodies, exhaust, cai, and tune and puts down 826rwhp with nothing touched inside the motor.

I do think he is taking his chances with the stock rods though.

when i say that, it depends on rev level. if your buddy keep it below 6200 it will live forever. if he revvs it 6600 it will eventually die.


a bolt-on 815rwhp is just average for a gt500. it depends on how high it is revved. the rods are similar to the 5.0 rods. they are stronger, but the same metalurgy.

[assasinator]

my thoughts....

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-is-wrong.html

[MADBOWTIE]

I know the terminators can be very fast, they also get very fragile when they reach the power levels they are capeable of. My brother had a sonic blue terminator with the comon bolt ons and it ran neck and neck with my 99 FRC corvette with almost the same mods, but it broke more of would sling belts. He sold the terminator and now has my FRC. I never intended for my camaro to be an all out drag car I just enjoy the thought of it being to hold it's own aginst 90% of the cars that would atempt to chalenge it. The smug remark I made in an other post was just from my observations, I was in trafic last weekend (Grand Rod Run) and pulled up next to a guy in a GT 500 I gave the guy a nod and told him he had a sharp car, his reply was to look over and give me one of those "you talkin to me looks" turn his nose up and look strait ahead like he was insulted to be talked to buy a guy in a lowly camaro. The terminators are good cars and so are the GT500's but they are not invinceable like there owners think. I will always pull for camaro's because that's what I like and I will always try to out run mustangs because again thats what I like. I thought this was a camaro forum but there are sure a lot of mustangfans here to remind everyone that no matter what you do to your camaro the Mustangs can do it better . This is my thought for the day I love my camaro, I love working on, and you can be assured it is fast and will be faster. If I run across a faster mustang I will just work a little harder and come back a little faster next time. As for you guys with the super fast track mustangs good for you you might be able to get one on my 10 but like a lot of others on here my 10 SS is not the only rocket in the hanger!

[Sax1031]

The DOHC Blown 4.6 in the 03-o4 Cobras was by far the strongest motor put out by the big 3 in the last couple of decades.

[MADBOWTIE]

Still looking for the link to The Mustang "Gods greatest creation" forums. These poor folks are lost and stuck in a camaro forum

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by assasinator

how many 4.6 and 5.0 coyote's have you modded? i dont know where to start in that post

short: full bolt on 4.6 03-04 4v = 343 rwhp.ben99gt... he is the champion.
...stock 5.0 coyote = 370rwhp.

man i dont know what to say.

Did you read the whole post? I said that even with every bolt on (cam's don't count) the 4.6 is still going to be quite a few hp short of the 5.0.

With that said, stock 3v 4.6l dyno around 270 stock (for 05-09), so 270 to 330 (more of an average gains) is 60 whp. The 5.0 will not gain 60 whp from bolt ons. I think it will respond to boost once you get new pistons/rods, but it won't get much from your simple bolt ons like the 4.6l does. Hence, why it won't be as mod friendly.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The DOHC Blown 4.6 in the 03-o4 Cobras was by far the strongest motor put out by the big 3 in the last couple of decades.

LSx

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

LSx

Not hardly.

The reason I said strongest was because of the fully forged rotating assembly that could handle the amounts of power it can without having to take the heads off.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Not hardly.

The reason I said strongest was because of the fully forged rotating assembly that could handle the amounts of power it can without having to take the heads off.

Yep.

Strongest does not always = fastest. The 4.6 DOHC that was blown in the 03-04 Cobras was indeed the strongest, just not the most powerful pre-blower.