12-24-2008, 12:13 AM | #183 |
Banned
Drives: Multiple Camaro's Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
Posts: 134
|
Pete,
Perhaps the likely reason GM is "mum" on many things right now is for legal, competitive reasons, and Christmas vacations. |
12-24-2008, 08:38 AM | #184 | |
Love's to Detail
Drives: 2010 SS,97silverado/08crewcab Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Greenville SC.
Posts: 1,421
|
Quote:
|
|
12-24-2008, 11:43 AM | #185 |
|
Ok I can understand everyone's feelings and passion about this car. But you have to understand that GM is not doing this to anger, loss sales, etc. Please know that the Camaro Team is trying to give you the car that everyone has been waiting along time for, me included.
If you think that they are not working the issue, your very wrong. They are working very hard to resolve this. The time that these people have put in is mind blowing to say the least. It would be nothing for Cheryl or John to go to the office for 12 hours then have to come home for a 2 hour tele con. I assure you that everyone is giving 150% to this. Give them your understanding they know your disappointed as they are. |
12-24-2008, 11:49 AM | #186 |
Iatefiberglassinsulation
|
I'm still not worried.... Its a feature that is available on other GM cars and one of the simplest ones. I'm SURE they will figure it out in 2 months. Worst case I'm sure the wiring harness is ready to go and it can be retrofitted in.
__________________
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS - was daily driver, now toy
2020 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Daily Driver 2017 Mercedes Benz GLE 350 - Wifes Car 2008 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD LT 6.0 - Tow Vehicle 1991 Alfa Romeo 164S - Project Car 1994 Volkswagen Golf - Race Car "Like" my race team on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/farfrumwinnin |
12-25-2008, 11:12 PM | #187 |
Drives: POS Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 107
|
|
12-25-2008, 11:56 PM | #188 | |
Reality Check Specialist
|
Quote:
this feature doesn't HAVE to be on the car... but something has to be done if its not going to be.
__________________
got tequila?
|
|
12-26-2008, 01:12 AM | #189 |
Drives: 2009 335i Coupe Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Coto De Caza, CA
Posts: 215
|
already cancelled mine
__________________
2010 Black 2SS/RS
|
12-26-2008, 07:04 AM | #190 |
|
let me ask everyone this. Would you rather have something on the car that is not 100% or wait till it is. Just because it's on another car means nothing. It still has to pass the durability test for this car.
Take for example. A person buys this car that lives in AZ. After three or so years the dash starts to seperate from the ABL due to the heat which leaves a gap. Do you think that person would be happy? What kind of review would they give GM for that. This is just some of the things that GM looks at. With or without ABL I'll still be getting mine. |
12-26-2008, 07:17 AM | #191 |
Banned
Drives: Multiple Camaro's Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
Posts: 134
|
OK I will bite. I will Pass. No ABL, No Long stripe offering I will be canceling my order too just a matter of time.
I am however very willing to give GM some more time to get past the technical issues and the bean counters, but I too have limits. Where are all you guys that pounced on me over the assertion that I would cancel the order on the short rally stripes?? ABL is cosmetic too - and the differance is I have not yet canceled the order for my car over the stripes yet others are canceling over ABL right here and are seemingly getting a "board pass" for doing so. Where is the fan boy outrage? Please...consistancy guys...... |
12-26-2008, 08:01 AM | #192 |
Drives #296
Drives: 1968 Camaro SS - 350/5 Speed Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Smithfield, NC
Posts: 953
|
Uhm, let's see.........I think we are being very consistent and fair in our comments on both items.
Yes, they are both cosmetic, but the stripes are there, the ABL is still a question on it's status. You made the same comments over and over and over about how your friends were going to laugh at the short stripes or how it looked like a U-haul. Nobody has made the same ridiculous references on the ABL. The stripes can be added or deleted adjusting the bottom-line price. So far, we don't know if we can make the same adjustments if the ABL will not be on the first run cars. You have commented on the length of the stripes. We are commenting on an integral electrical system to the vehicle that may or may not be a simple retrofit later. We don't want to pay for something we aren't getting is the biggest thing here as well as not getting something that has been hyped-up by GM for the last year. |
12-26-2008, 08:07 AM | #193 | |
Banned
Drives: Multiple Camaro's Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
Posts: 134
|
Quote:
BTW: Where is that utterly insulting quote you borrowed from Pete that is suddenly missing from your signature? Here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...?t=9238&page=5 (at post #112) Please explain your conduct. |
|
12-26-2008, 08:26 AM | #194 | |
Reality Check Specialist
|
Quote:
the people that bought '98-'00 model Camaros SSs and Z28s missed out on the LS6 intake and upgraded exhaust manifolds that went into the '01-'02 models... the folks that bought in '98-'99 missed out on the steering wheel controls available from '00-'02... the '98 models had the worst flowing heads... the '01 Z06 had 385hp, while the '02-'04 Z06s had 405hp... these are all little things that initial customer didn't get, but the later customers did get... but they are examples from the past where it was a "too bad, so sad" deal and the price didn't change for the car... but in all of those cases, the initial run of cars wasn't broadcast to have something that it didn't have... and that is the case here. again, I'm not saying it has to be on the car, I'm saying that if it isn't, there needs to be something done for the initial run customers so they can say, "hey, I didn't get the cool ambient lighting, but GM did me right and gave me XXXXXXX to make up for it"... whether its a free car cover, a retrofit, a free year of turn by turn OnStar, or whatever, GM needs to make the decision to take care of the customer here and not leave them out in the cold. and Jeremy, please dont take this is a personal attack or anything, because I'm certainly not attacking anyone on the forums, or even GM, here... I am just giving GM the reality check that they said something was going to be there, made a video of the feature being there and now, suddenly, it might not be there... if its not, something needs to be done to fulfill the customer... simply telling them to cancel their order and wait is not enough... we've ALL waited long eough for GM to resurrect the Camaro, its time to make us smile at ownership and beam with pride at the product we get... and its time for GM to give back to the loyal following that has kept Camaro a household name for over 6 years while GM tried to use front wheel drive cars to fill the void left by their bean counters and bad decisions back in 2002.
__________________
got tequila?
|
|
12-26-2008, 08:43 AM | #195 |
SST...
Drives: SST Camaro 2010 Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: East Coast of Florida
Posts: 5,927
|
You might not like this response, but are you buying a car or are you buying pretty lights?
I am really surprised to see hard core Camaro performance enthusiasts cancelling orders because of lights... There is an incredible amount of turmoil going on in OUR economy and like it or not some items may be impacted. They may not be able to afford to do the ambient lighting right now. They ARE in bailout mode. Be happy they are producing the Camaro at all and that it is as close to the concept as realistically possible. Remember the phrase "The price of perfection is bankruptcy". Never truer than right now... Wouldn't you prefer a Camaro with no ambient lighting over a Toyota with Neons? We have to assume so since all of us have taken the time to be an integral part of this site and made the effort to place our orders... |
12-26-2008, 08:54 AM | #196 | |
Drives: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 51
|
Quote:
On the other hand, we ARE the customers. If you promise something as a company, you better deliver. I don't buy the bailout excuse. GM can't add these lights because of the financial problems they're having? |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
ambient lighting | kozzmo49 | Cosmetics and Lighting Modification Discussions | 45 | 02-10-2010 05:13 PM |
Did you get an order # or any refernce for your pre-order? | D1BADZ | Camaro Price | Ordering | Tracking | Dealers Discussions | 21 | 05-22-2009 05:39 PM |
Answeres to questions I have stumbled on | dieseldave24v | 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions | 13 | 02-23-2009 06:56 PM |
UPCOMING CAMARO IMPORTANT DATES | CamaroScotty | 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions | 125 | 01-11-2009 12:31 AM |
Ambient Lighting! | blakeequalshyphy | 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions | 116 | 12-29-2008 12:44 PM |