A99 Custom "Stealth" Tune - need help with shifts

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by seven2one

I know everyone in this thread is a genius software engineer, but there is such a thing as a stealth tune. Its called transparency, and it makes all tunes and revisions look EXACTLY like a stock dealer flash. Its by a very reputable company that does many of the pioneer tunes for LSx motors and many other DI motors. I have verified with the tech 2 that its undetectable, and that flash counts stored on the BCM can only verify a number, not the specific calibration.

When the specific calibration for the ECM is read, the transparent tune shows as a stock dealer flash. There are no dates, just a calibration number. If anyone is local to me wants to try it out with a tech 2, I will be happy to demonstrate.

I am not trying to sell any tunes, I am just trying to clean up some misinformation in this thread. I can't post up who the company is that does these tunes, because I got banned the last time because someone filed a post complaint in this thread, and had all my posts deleted. The company that makes this transparent tune is owned by an ex microsoft software engineer, he knows his stuff and was the first to offer tuning for the 3.6 DI Motor, and the first to tune a TT LS3 days after it was available.

Are you Checking CVN numbers on the tune file and comparing them to the Stock CVN Numbers?

Do you Know What a CVN number Is or how it is generated?

If your Defrauding GM and admitting to it then that is a Problem.

We don't Defraud anyone We tell them up front Tunes Void Drivetrain Warranty.

Ted.

[seven2one]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Are you Checking CVN numbers on the tune file and comparing them to the Stock CVN Numbers?

Do you Know What a CVN number Is or how it is generated?

If your Defrauding GM and admitting to it then that is a Problem.

We don't Defraud anyone We tell them up front Tunes Void Drivetrain Warranty.

Ted.

Ted you are really taking a new low with this now. First it goes from something that can't be done to "defrauding GM."

The method of checking CVN's on a tech II is a sticky on this forum, its not rocket science. I cannot tell you the method that its done because its a trade secret, you can't do it on an SCTuner anyways, so what does it matter to you.

There is a method to do it in HPTuners too.....

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by seven2one

Ted you are really taking a new low with this now. First it goes from something that can't be done to "defrauding GM."

The method of checking CVN's on a tech II is a sticky on this forum, its not rocket science. I cannot tell you the method that its done because its a trade secret, you can't do it on an SCTuner anyways, so what does it matter to you.

There is a method to do it in HPTuners too.....

The fact remains if your creating Phony CVN numbers your Defrauding GM.

And the CVN number is Not the Only Security Measure in these New Computers.

I had a very long interesting conversation with a Calibration Engineer at GM about this very subject.

Do you Really Think GM Calibration Engineers are That Dumb?

I don't think So!

Here is a Little advice;

Learn how to tune, Become a Paid Sponsor, Let your tunes speak for themselves, Stop Peddling someone elses tunes, and stop telling people you know how to Cheat GM.

Don't be Hatin because I am Good at What I do Professionally.

Ted.

[seven2one]

I do know how to tune. I am not trying to sell anything. Hence why I'm not stating who I distribute tunes for. And my tunes do speak for themselves. Tune only I got a stock cobalt ss into the 12s and trapping over 112. I have been tuning with HP tuners for a while, and tuned standalones such as haltec and aem ems for about 6 years.

Do you think you are the only one with access to Bosch engineers? You are not. I have never doubted your ability as a tuner, and have been very civil here. There are transparent tunes, I have verified it. It's also how my 12 sec cobalt still retains a warranty. Please stop the namecalling and misinformation. I'm not trying to steal business just let people know what is out there.

[NickJRE]

Originally Posted by seven2one

I do know how to tune. I am not trying to sell anything. Hence why I'm not stating who I distribute tunes for. And my tunes do speak for themselves. Tune only I got a stock cobalt ss into the 12s and trapping over 112. I have been tuning with HP tuners for a while, and tuned standalones such as haltec and aem ems for about 6 years.

Do you think you are the only one with access to Bosch engineers? You are not. I have never doubted your ability as a tuner, and have been very civil here. There are transparent tunes, I have verified it. It's also how my 12 sec cobalt still retains a warranty. Please stop the namecalling and misinformation. I'm not trying to steal business just let people know what is out there.

Per Bill @ HP Tuners

We will not be offering this period. If you modify your vehicles pcm while in your warranty period and something fails that could be attributed to tuning you will need to be responsible for this. Its not only related to warranty work but also to emissions. We are not going to bite the hand(s) that feeds us. If others want to dip into these waters they can also take the heat when the epa comes knocking at their door.

I'm not an attorney but I would advise not putting it out there that you even do stealth tuning. The EPA will not mess around.

[seven2one]

Are you all threatened by these programs or something? I just see forum sponsors chiming in.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by seven2one

Are you all threatened by these programs or something? I just see forum sponsors chiming in.

Not At All, I is just a LIFE Lesson, Live by the sword die by the sword.

Ted.

[seven2one]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Not At All, I is just a LIFE Lesson, Live by the sword die by the sword.

Ted.

You are not making any sense here.... like really, it looks like you just ran out of words and threw a random phrase out.

I sense a bit of animosity in here. The conversation went from "you can't stealth tune" to "defrauding gm" to "the epa ninjas are gonna get you." Also I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the largest vw/audi/Porshe tuning company uses a transparency method similar to this, and in no way has the epa gone after Apr.

Also I don't make much off of tuning because I don't need to. I am the only one in this thread who met the ops requirements. He is now dialed in and very happy. Customer service, something you all need a lesson on.
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[slickmetal]

Actually, as I stated before I wanted/asked for help on shifts, that was it!...I didn't even need to put anything down about "stealth" - I wish I never did because this seems to be the eye catcher, or means for a vendor to see if another vendor has an "edge" over the others...then with folks thinking its impossible, the "You are a liar" or "Don't let them lie to you!" finger pointing BS starts. With all the animosity in this thread, show me ONE person (if I am blind, my appologies) that actually helped me with my question. But...

1. I didnt EVEN need to ask...the tuner was only asking if I had a preferance, not that they needed this info...So I came here to talk to reputable people or SMEs.

2. I am fully satisfied with what work was done/tune on whatever ECU I provided. The customer satisfaction/interaction had far exceeded my standards. Like most "experts" on here said, its better to go to someone local and have hands on with the tech...in which I did, and was a very reliable and trustworthy source.

3. Others did not have supplies in stock. When you have a small window, and want to get things done, then I as the customer can choose which route to go...Yes, I did buy items from Jannetty but some of the items at the time were out of stock, and would have purchased more if more things were in stock. With JRE you can get tunes for your mods for free, but at the time I bought my CAI, the hand held tuners were out of stock, as well as the CAI. Like Ted stated, patience is a virtue...but in todays world when someone already has your money, you expect to have your goods or at least on the way...I did offer a suggestion to them at the time but I was told it was too hard to do, so for that I do not think any different of JRE but I just need to adjust my spending ways. BOTTOM LINE: If you can't produce, then the customer may go somewhere else.

[seven2one]

Originally Posted by NickJRE

Per Bill @ HP Tuners



I'm not an attorney but I would advise not putting it out there that you even do stealth tuning. The EPA will not mess around.

Also that's HPTuners, thats not who I referring to with stealth tuning. The method to look like a stock flash (write entire) with HPT is just flash the stock read 10 times so all the BCM history looks exactly the same. Time consuming..... but it works. Only problem with this is that with SOME ecu's the last number in the CVN is auto generated and could change, just turning into a huge time waster.

I know that HPT doesn't offer a click if you want transparency option.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Your Right, the Whole Steath thing is what put this discussion in Motion.

I am Done discussing it.

I am Glad you were Taken care of and your Satisfied with the service and Results, because when it comes right down to it that is all that matters.

Good Luck and Enjoy.

Ted.

Originally Posted by slickmetal

Actually, as I stated before I wanted/asked for help on shifts, that was it!...I didn't even need to put anything down about "stealth" - I wish I never did because this seems to be the eye catcher, or means for a vendor to see if another vendor has an "edge" over the others...then with folks thinking its impossible, the "You are a liar" or "Don't let them lie to you!" finger pointing BS starts. With all the animosity in this thread, show me ONE person (if I am blind, my appologies) that actually helped me with my question. But...

1. I didnt EVEN need to ask...the tuner was only asking if I had a preferance, not that they needed this info...So I came here to talk to reputable people or SMEs.

2. I am fully satisfied with what work was done/tune on whatever ECU I provided. The customer satisfaction/interaction had far exceeded my standards. Like most "experts" on here said, its better to go to someone local and have hands on with the tech...in which I did, and was a very reliable and trustworthy source.

3. Others did not have supplies in stock. When you have a small window, and want to get things done, then I as the customer can choose which route to go...Yes, I did buy items from Jannetty but some of the items at the time were out of stock, and would have purchased more if more things were in stock. With JRE you can get tunes for your mods for free, but at the time I bought my CAI, the hand held tuners were out of stock, as well as the CAI. Like Ted stated, patience is a virtue...but in todays world when someone already has your money, you expect to have your goods or at least on the way...I did offer a suggestion to them at the time but I was told it was too hard to do, so for that I do not think any different of JRE but I just need to adjust my spending ways. BOTTOM LINE: If you can't produce, then the customer may go somewhere else.

[slickmetal]

Originally Posted by Captain McFunk

Seriously reconsider what this cobalt guy is telling you. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO UNDETECTED. I promise you, just send Ted the $100 or whatever for the tune to be done right.

If it was $100, then I would have considered this in the beginning...I do not have a SCT hand tuner device, which is I think 350$ or so.

[slickmetal]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

What's your specific question? Maybe I can offer my $.02. My A6 is the very first one Ted ever tuned. So as his knowledge increase with the tcm, my car got the immediate improvements. Pm me if I dont answer this thread right away.

Originally I thought the tuner was asking what I wanted done with my shifting points...as if I had a personal pref...I had only used the A4 that was in my T/A and Firebird so I know the A6 is different...I was just wondering what was the optimal shift firmness and optimal shift RPMs for each gear...Also wanting to still be in 3rd gear when crossing the trap in the 1/4 mile...

So, while in D everything should be normal, smooth and MPG friendly. While in "S" -- everything should be optimized for the 1/4 mile.

thanks for any insight/help. I have made adjustments after the the initial tune...I do not have a run in after the last revision. But I could check SME suggestions vs. whats in my tables..

[2SSRSinBama]

sorry to bring this up from the grave, but there IS a such thing as a stealth tune... especially on the Cobalt, a "well known tuner" specializes in them and they WORK 100% undetectable, even takes care of the flash counter... that is what the Cobalt owner probably had... and yes, the owner is very reasonable on his tunes, not $100 reasonable, but its about $450 for a '10 Camaro($300 for a Cobalt)

I won't go into detail, will just state, that is no urban myth, as a former Cobalt owner, I knew MORE THAN ONE person with tuned Cobalts get HARD parts, i'm talking transmissions, engines, turbos, you name it replaced after flashing back to stock with "this guys"'s software, which does a complete rewrite, put back the stock CPN, resets the flash counter, you name it... GM reps went over their cars with a fine tooth comb and came away with no evidence of a tune... i'm sure they know something was up... but just no proof

and guess what, it works(or worked) on the '10 Camaros as well... and he's already devising ways of combating Global A(may already have it implemented, I haven't talked to him in a few months but he's supposed to be in Bama in a couple of months)... as a former Microsoft program designer who is now retired, he is no untrained tuner... he is basically an engineer that is on the car enthusiast side of the fence, lol

but any car that uses Tech-II as its diagnostics software, yes, his tune is 110% undetectable... and could possibly be with Global A, i'm going to do some more questioning on that note

*Edit*

I edited his name out because it appears everyone on here is upset on "defrauding GM" on something they claim can't be done

and for anyone who wants to take the challenge with any of his tunes, be my guest... your GM engineer nor anyone else, will not be able to detect never tuned vs rewritten back stock

finding the company is pretty simple, just find out the one company that A LOT of turbo Cobalt guys are using, because pretty much for those cars, its Hptuners or "this company"