ZL1 and the next GT 500

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Orbit Orange

Wow, I would be shocked. Didn't know ford had an auto tranny that could take that kind of power and torque. Where have you heard the rumors?



A good attitude to have, to each their own.

I heard a modified 6R140, but I have my doubts. However, the basic design of that transmission would translate nicely to a turbo-charged application. Time will tell if the rumor holds true. I can't see offering a turbocharged engine without an auto option.

[whistle pig]

Originally Posted by kaneda

tooslow, I think you're wrong. The reality is Chevy is really playing catch-up with the GT500. They have built the 2013 ZL1 to beat the 2011 GT500. By the time the Chevy finally hits showrooms, Ford will have news that will make the Chevy seem tame. Look for the next GT500 to have in the ballpark of 650bhp. The next GT is going to have close to 500bhp. Also, for years, Ford has been continually improving the mustang, and you can't say the same thing for the Camaro. When I first drove an SS Camaro two years ago, I loved the looks, but the handling was all over the place. Have they since then offered a better suspension? Nope. Have they made the tranny better? Nope. Have the fixed the hideous interior? Nope. The current Camaro is a result of a great concept executed very poorly by a cost cutting, bankrupt organization. The real Camaro to get is not the ZL1, it's the one they produce on the Alpha platform. It will be a much lighter, completely thought out car. Not a great looking, bloated blindspot like we have now.

Congratulations on your ability to regurgitate the opinion of car and driver.

I have driven both mustangs and camaros, both are nice cars, I like things from both...But from a performance standpoint I cant tell any difference, I REALLY doubt ther are very many that can.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by kaneda

tooslow, I think you're wrong. The reality is Chevy is really playing catch-up with the GT500. They have built the 2013 ZL1 to beat the 2011 GT500. By the time the Chevy finally hits showrooms, Ford will have news that will make the Chevy seem tame. Look for the next GT500 to have in the ballpark of 650bhp. The next GT is going to have close to 500bhp. Also, for years, Ford has been continually improving the mustang, and you can't say the same thing for the Camaro. When I first drove an SS Camaro two years ago, I loved the looks, but the handling was all over the place. Have they since then offered a better suspension? Nope. Have they made the tranny better? Nope. Have the fixed the hideous interior? Nope. The current Camaro is a result of a great concept executed very poorly by a cost cutting, bankrupt organization. The real Camaro to get is not the ZL1, it's the one they produce on the Alpha platform. It will be a much lighter, completely thought out car. Not a great looking, bloated blindspot like we have now.

Fail...

[htron50]

If you have followed those who give us hints of what is to come, you shall not be dissappointed, but probably elated that they will exceed your expectations.

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by htron50

If you have followed those who give us hints of what is to come, you shall not be dissappointed, but probably elated that they will exceed your expectations.

Like forged pistons in the ZL1

[Nine Ball]

When discussing upper echelon models of performance cars on the market, more of these buyers are the gearhead enthusiasts which typically favor one brand more than others. I doubt you'll get much cross-shopping between GT500 and ZL1 shoppers. That is more likely to happen with the V6 buyers, who are more swayed by visuals and not as much about performance. GT500 and ZL1 shoppers are those who are driven by passion for a brand or model. These shoppers are much harder to sway, and a simple HP output figure isn't going to do anything. Personally, I like the Camaro styling better. Especially the ZL1 styling. The newer Mustangs look good too, but I'm only liking the rear end about 20%. They messed up the rear end for me, but I like the front end better than the previous model. I owned an '06 Mustang GT previously, the interior hasn't changed that much since then. A little nicer, but sorta the same. Not enough to make me go WOW.

[91Z28350]

I guess I am one of the few. I am looking for the best performance for my money. To be honest, I like all the domestic manufacturers, I have owned and had good luck with Chevy, Ford and Dodge. So Corvette GS, used Z06, ZL1 and GT500 are all on the list when I buy next spring. It will simply be a question of, which do I like best, which has the best "feel" to me.

[Orbit Orange]

Originally Posted by 91Z28350

I guess I am one of the few. I am looking for the best performance for my money. To be honest, I like all the domestic manufacturers, I have owned and had good luck with Chevy, Ford and Dodge. So Corvette GS, used Z06, ZL1 and GT500 are all on the list when I buy next spring. It will simply be a question of, which do I like best, which has the best "feel" to me.

You are not the only one. If Ford drops an auto in the upcoming GT500 and it outpowers the ZL1, I would seriously consider it. I'd be buying either used anyway after a model year or 2. So not for a while yet. As for the current Mustang rear a lot of people hate it, but I actually like it. To me it looks better than the 05-09 rear end. Since my beloved Pontiac is dead, I'm considering all options at this point. I'm with you too, a used Vette GS appeals to me as well. If Dodge would crank out a 550 HP new 426 Hemi I'd be very interested as well. (If the fat pig Challenger could shed a few pounds as well though)

[mondain]

Not to split hairs, but nobody on this forum is going to notice 1/10th of a second faster lol.

All you have to do is miss your shift by about 200 rpm, and the "other car" is going to win. I don't care if you're in the chevy or the ford.

[91Z28350]

Agreed 100%.

[justmeron]

Originally Posted by JCL-2SS

I really dont care if they put a 3000 HP jet engine, wings and a 8 slice toaster in the Mustang, I wouldnt buy one. Ive been a GM guy all my life, owned many Z28's and trans am's since my first car at 17. Im happy with my camaro.

Precisely!! Many ppl love the camaro and would take it over a mustange or challenger any day. If it is the speed and all the other things discussed then there are many options other than the mustange and camaro. If you really want the juice just get a new vette or buy a car set for the drag. For me as a daily driver all that power would get my license taken or get me killed lol. If ya got it ya have to put your foot in it. just saying.

[Nine Ball]

Originally Posted by mondain

Not to split hairs, but nobody on this forum is going to notice 1/10th of a second faster lol.

All you have to do is miss your shift by about 200 rpm, and the "other car" is going to win. I don't care if you're in the chevy or the ford.

These are the same guys that go around quoting 0-60 times, and asking you how fast your car can go. Magazine racers. I don't care about 60 mph, that is only 1st gear for most performance cars. They really should change the magazine benchmark to 0-100, since even minvans can do 100 now.

[strokerls1]

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...harged-v8.html

I have been reading this forum from the start. I have followed the z28/zl1 talk from the beginning. I am a true Camaro fan as I have owned many built F-Body's. I have always bashed Ford and mustangs in general until I rode in my brothers new 5.0 They have the shit together. The ZL1 better come out with some serious firepower to compete with a twin turbo 650hp Shelby. Let the flamming begin.

[radz28]

There's nothing to worry about until Ford announces something. Besides - I believe the power the Shelby has now is borderline too much for the chassis, and unless they give as much attention to the chassis, all this power is for the naught. It's definately cool for bragging rights, but ZL1 is more than just power - it's a whole package, and it's difficult for my to really take the Shelby as seriously. I'm not taking anything way from that car, and they've made great improvements lately, but I'm not worried.