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Icewinds · 03-23-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgie

that's not an accurate comparison and with all the results demonstrating otherwise that statement is just cliche. SRA can be made to handle twisties just as well as an IRS. the difference is in real world driving going over non perfect roads, but to say its archaic although it can match the track performance of independent rear suspension is to completely ignore facts

That is simply not true. When I see solid rear axle vehicles do top times on tracks like Nurburgring, I will agree. Until then, SRA is plain inferior both in real world driving and on the track.

fdjizm · 03-23-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Icewinds

That is simply not true. When I see a solid rear axle vehicles do top times on tracks like Nurburgring, I will agree. Until then, SRA is plain inferior both in real world driving and on the track.

if it is, i guess nobody seems to notice... other than the people picking it out...

how come they have been doing fine for a very long time?

Muscle Master · 03-23-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Icewinds

That is simply not true. When I see solid rear axle vehicles do top times on tracks like Nurburgring, I will agree. Until then, SRA is plain inferior both in real world driving and on the track.

Sometimes inferior technologies has it's advantages in the new world - remember that

I think I quoted Einstein

Anyway ... outdated or not, Ford has comes some ways with the SRA

Icewinds · 03-23-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdjizm

if it is, i guess nobody seems to notice... other than the people picking it out...

how come they have been doing fine for a very long time?

All I see on that picture is a bunch of 'stangs... How do they perform against the competition, though?

*DGthe3* · 03-23-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin2323

no I agree about base price...but they clearly stated in this article or the motortrend one that the challengers price was why it was 3rd. which is bs they all have the same base price.

It was third mostly because it was slow ... and the Edmunds comparo had all of them at ~36 000. You were thinking of the Motor Trend article. It still lost because of performance there though.

RudySRT8 · 03-23-2009, 12:59 PM

I'm not offended that they compared the SS to the R/T because the SS is "Cheaper" then the SS. Now you can say you guys have the "Cheaper car"

TheCaptain · 03-23-2009, 01:00 PM

I love that review! "Do want to fondle the door panels, or kick ass, sissy?"

Georgie · 03-23-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Icewinds

That is simply not true. When I see solid rear axle vehicles do top times on tracks like Nurburgring, I will agree. Until then, SRA is plain inferior both in real world driving and on the track.

it is true, you are simply wrong on this. the cobalt is based on a solid axel setup and it does just fine on the often overhyped nurburing

Cyberfan · 03-23-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GrnMchin

I say go ahead compare the SS to SRT8 and GT500, but $ may be end up being a big factor.

Yeah the R/T has more weight and less horsepower than the SS. The overpriced SRT-8 has more weight and equivalent horsepower. But the GT-500s have over 500 horsepower and are very expensive- coupes sticker starting in the mid-40s and last time I heard dealers were still marking them up. So the GT-500 should perform the best of those 3. The Mustang GT has a horsepower deficiency but is priced closer to the other ones in the test.

But I agree with others that the cars they compared are not similar enough and that comparison doesn't mean much to me.

Icewinds · 03-23-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgie

it is true, you are simply wrong on this. the cobalt is based on a solid axel setup and it does just fine on the often overhyped nurburing

Best time recorded by a turbocharged, race-tuned Cobalt on Nurburgring is a whooping 8:22.

A green engined, stock Camaro SS did 8:20 a few days ago.

I guess it all depends on what you call "just fine." 8:22 is awesome for a FWD, but its nowhere near the standard for a true performance car.

fireresq157 · 03-23-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

That is the highest non aftermarket mustang I believe no Shelby ect, as far as the srt8 you have a valid point but I have no doubt it would have beaten that too. I would have like apples to apples. Then again is you opt for all the performance mods available from GM installed by your dealer would that be fair also?

Italianwhiplash · 03-23-2009, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=DGthe3;357296]OHC's take up more space than cam in block designs. So the engine itself tends to be larger, regardless of its displacement.

Well since the average buyer goes by price it seems a pretty reasonable way to compare for me. If I have an out the door budget of $40 000, including tax, title, license, etc the GT500 and SRT8 are beyond my reach. The R/T, GT, and SS aren't.

It really depends on which r/t you want. You can easily kick the r/t challenger to 40,000.00.(r/t classic, r/t RTJ package, and all the bells and whistles) I bought my srt-8 fully loaded for about 38,000.00 including taxes and all the mumbo jumbo. My camaro will be about 40,000.00+ So comparing it, to an srt-8 wouldn't really be out of the price range.

Italianwhiplash · 03-23-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fireresq157

That is the highest non aftermarket mustang I believe no Shelby ect, as far as the srt8 you have a valid point but I have no doubt it would have beaten that too. I would have like apples to apples. Then again is you opt for all the performance mods available from GM installed by your dealer would that be fair also?

Well it would be fair in comparison. Hell thats what will be on mine Every performance option i was able o put on will be on it. But doesn't mean my challenger will be opted the same treatment. :-)

Georgie · 03-23-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Icewinds

Best time recorded by a turbocharged, race-tuned Cobalt on Nurburgring is a whooping 8:22.

A green engined, stock Camaro SS did 8:20 a few days ago.

I guess it all depends on what you call "just fine." 8:22 is awesome for a FWD, but its nowhere near the standard for a true performance car.

the fact remains sra can perform well on a track. inferior, archaic or whatever other cliched terms used to describe a live axel setup are inaccurate. the recent comparisons should prove that, with the mustang performing just as well on the track as the IRS camaro and beating the IRS challenger.

but i guess old stereotypes die hard

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Italianwhiplash Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger r/t Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 176 View My Garage	[QUOTE=DGthe3;357296]OHC's take up more space than cam in block designs. So the engine itself tends to be larger, regardless of its displacement. Well since the average buyer goes by price it seems a pretty reasonable way to compare for me. If I have an out the door budget of $40 000, including tax, title, license, etc the GT500 and SRT8 are beyond my reach. The R/T, GT, and SS aren't. It really depends on which r/t you want. You can easily kick the r/t challenger to 40,000.00.(r/t classic, r/t RTJ package, and all the bells and whistles) I bought my srt-8 fully loaded for about 38,000.00 including taxes and all the mumbo jumbo. My camaro will be about 40,000.00+ So comparing it, to an srt-8 wouldn't really be out of the price range. __________________ 2006 Dodge Charger R/T-Heads, cam, headers,exhaust,cut outs, nitrous , intake, 1000hp axles,3.75 gears and much much more 2009 Hemi Orange Dodge Challenger SRT-8 - 6 speed, Headers, exhaust, Super Charged,SMS Supercharger, 4.10 gears, stage 5 transmission, duel clutch, and the beast under the hood A 440 CI 7.2 LITER HEMI On order victory Red 2ss RS Camaro, Parts already received ARH Headers, SLP loud Mouth I exhaust, waiting for Vortech SuperCharger.

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03-23-2009, 12:59 PM	#34
RudySRT8 Account Suspended Drives: 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 184	I'm not offended that they compared the SS to the R/T because the SS is "Cheaper" then the SS. Now you can say you guys have the "Cheaper car"