Color Poll..are the colors good enough?

[htron50]

Good Job Scarrzz. That said, let me just say...

"All Righty I reckon"

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

Well, the poll is about even between fine & not so great, with very few excellent - that direction would be my guess.

I think the color problem for ZL1 is that it's not just any car, it's THE car we have always wanted. We Camaro lovers have a fantasy car built up in our minds, and a significant part of the fantasy is the way it looks- including the color.

For example, I don't care that there's already an IBM, I really want Dusk Blue.

Hey, you could get it way back when Camaro was born.

There's your heritage color.




So, only those that are getting exactly the color they want are going to say "excellent."

Also, the lack of super bold colors leaves the selections lacking a bit I think. The new red is awesome, but ZL1 needs one or two more "in your face" metallics like that. Changing the flat yellow to "Bumblebee Sunrise Gold" or something very similar would have taken care of most of that angst.

BTW, Inferno Orange is also "in your face" but it's still in the red family. Red has three versions and is very well represented.

Do the same for blue & change the yellow and almost everybody is happy.

No extra charge for my two cents.


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You are preaching to the choir! Scarrzz, I for one was one of those who along with you who clamored for that SEMA Dusk Blue... it could have been one of those signature colors for our beloved ZL1. We know what fbodfather said about blues and colors in general in previous color discussions well represented and discussed over and over (Beating Dead Horses..) on the board. When I saw that sunrise gold or yellow as it was on the T3 Bee at the NYC auto show I was very much taken by it's beauty and rich depth. I wanted to see that brought to market, but was quickly told that it was a custom paint job and very expensive. So much for that. Reality is we are going to have make do. BTW that is an AWESOME SS you posted as an example. That's a timeless classic...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157246

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157824

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155372

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166091

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

When I saw that sunrise gold or yellow as it was on the T3 Bee at the NYC auto show I was very much taken by it's beauty and rich depth. I wanted to see that brought to market, but was quickly told that it was a custom paint job and very expensive. So much for that.

Transformers Edition special color with price adjustment then, or something very similar but less expensive?

If I'm buying a car for well over 50k, I can probably afford a paint color upgrade. If it costs GM that much extra, then offer it as an option and let the customer pay for it. If I choose to pay more because I love that color, no one complains and we all get to look at ZL1 in another light.

It seems logical to me. If adding just two or three more colors would please almost everyone, then I say splurge on this too for ZL1. They got everything else perfect, why not go all out on this one too?

Sometimes I think I ask too much of you, GM. ..It only shows how much I believe in you.

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

BTW that is an AWESOME SS you posted as an example. That's a timeless classic...

It really is, isn't it? I was looking for a COPO '69 in that color, but that one was so breathtaking I had to share it.


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[lbls1]

Scarrzz, I've said basically the same thing once or twice in earlier posts, and the feedback I received was basically 'well it doesn't sell' and 'everybody else doesn't have a problem with the current colors'.

It seems to me that some folks are missing an essential point, in that the ZL1 isn't just another car or another camaro. The '12 ZL1 will be a significant camaro model that will make its mark in camaro and chevrolet history. I would think that Chevy would want to do all that it could to support this effort by instilling a sense of the ZL1's past legacy by offering several vintage-like colors. To me it just makes the ZL1 offering that much sweeter.

[radz28]

I REALLY like many of the latest posts.

I do identify ZL1 as a special CAMARO, for sure, but having a little better understanding how the paint shop works and all that goes into it, the extra expense in a special paint is something I struggle to add to what I believe is going to be a relatively extraordinary price - at least for CAMARO. That's not to say I don't think the price will be justified, however, I'd rather stick with a paint that's more ordinary than add another expense.

I hope that everyone else can get something they'd be happy with.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

Transformers Edition special color with price adjustment then, or something very similar but less expensive?

If I'm buying a car for well over 50k, I can probably afford a paint color upgrade. If it costs GM that much extra, then offer it as an option and let the customer pay for it. If I choose to pay more because I love that color, no one complains and we all get to look at ZL1 in another light.

It seems logical to me. If adding just two or three more colors would please almost everyone, then I say splurge on this too for ZL1. They got everything else perfect, why not go all out on this one too?

Sometimes I think I ask too much of you, GM. ..It only shows how much I believe in you.





It really is, isn't it? I was looking for a COPO '69 in that color, but that one was so breathtaking I had to share it.


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Scarrzz, with all due respect to you my esteemed colleague I must say that as much as I am with you, this has all been covered before and we can call this argument; Return of Beating the Dead Horse episode 7... . We gotta go with who brought us to the dance....

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

If I'm buying a car for well over 50k, I can probably afford a paint color upgrade. If it costs GM that much extra, then offer it as an option and let the customer pay for it. If I choose to pay more because I love that color, no one complains and we all get to look at ZL1 in another light.

It seems logical to me. If adding just two or three more colors would please almost everyone, then I say splurge on this too for ZL1. They got everything else perfect, why not go all out on this one too?
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Unfortunately, a problem with having the customer pay for the cost of a special GM paint job would be if GM actually passed on their true cost of painting a handful of cars a special color, the price of the car would become so expensive that almost no one could afford it, since the cost of having GM produce and validate an exterior color is very expensive, and if the cost needed to be recouped over a small number of vehicles, the per vehicle cost would be exorbitant. Remember what happened when GM passed the true cost of producing the ZL1 engine to the customer with the 9560 COPOs.

It would be a much cheaper proposition for the customer to purchase the vehicle with one of the standard colors offered by GM, and then pay to have a specialty paint shop strip the car and paint it whatever color the customer would like.

[htron50]

However, Only Carnac knows the question!! I wish Johnny was still here dammit!





By the way... I see nothing wrong with being NOSTALGIC .... after all, isnt that what the Gen5 was made for?
Well, how about a few NOSTALGIC colors! Just sayin........ OK IM DONE

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Given the realities of mass automobile manufacturing today, I think that the current Camaro color palette is fine. It's my preference that development dollars should be prioritized on providing the best performance possible rather than on providing color choices that will satisfy all enthusiasts.

Bears clearly defined and logical way of seeing things is dead center I feel. GM had an extraordinarily high amount of color choices years ago. There is not any profitablitly in that with todays market. Not everyone would be pleased if even a gajillion colors were offered I believe was said previously. Well said Bear.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

Bears clearly defined and logical way of seeing things is dead center I feel. GM had an extraordinarily high amount of color choices years ago. There is not any profitablitly in that with todays market. Not everyone would be pleased if even a gajillion colors were offered I believe was said previously. Well said Bear.

Agreed for the most part with both Bear and OldSchool, B U T, I don't think we are asking for "custom" colors. The colors are already there on the Vette, some of the Trucks, Caddies, etc etc etc. So, Its not hard for this good ol boy to say, hey, "I want that same color I saw on the Vette"... and expect GM to be able to deliver..... but I digress when I say that, I know.

I've heard alot about it costing $$gajillions to get a gajillion colors. But aren't most folks really just wanting something else that already exists?? I've heard the arguements about creating colors with limited demand, and those arguements are sound. But, just how many Supersonic Blue Vettes would be sold vs Supersonic Blue Camaros may I ask? Not that I care either way about the color, its just that I know Scarrzz wants it! FBOD did make some references to costing, but apparently not enough to quell the conversation.

Then again, maybe GM will surprize us when the finals are released.???? Here I'll do it for you...--->>

[OldScoolCamaro]

LOL, we could still be talking 'bout steering wheels....

[htron50]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

LOL, we could still be talking 'bout steering wheels....

Hey OldSchool, I think YOU want the Supersonic Blue too..... its a great color isn't it? Looks awfully close to the DUSK color we've seen

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!!

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by htron50

Agreed for the most part with both Bear and OldSchool, B U T, I don't think we are asking for "custom" colors. The colors are already there on the Vette, some of the Trucks, Caddies, etc etc etc. So, Its not hard for this good ol boy to say, hey, "I want that same color I saw on the Vette"... and expect GM to be able to deliver.....

I've heard alot about it costing $$gajillions to get a gajillion colors. But aren't most folks really just wanting something else that already exists?? I've heard the arguements about creating colors with limited demand, and those arguements are sound. But, just how many Supersonic Blue Vettes would be sold vs Supersonic Blue Camaros may I ask?

Sharing colors among vehicles is relatively straight forward when the vehicles are assembled in the same plant. However, sharing colors becomes more expensive when vehicles are assembled in separate plants, such as with the Corvette (Bowling Green) and the Camaro (Oshawa), for example.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by htron50

Hey OldSchool, I think YOU want the Supersonic Blue too..... its a great color isn't it? Looks awfully close to the DUSK color we've seen

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!!

....you've been reading some of my old posts haven't you....


I posted the pic for Scarrzz's benefit...LOL...