Customer Complaint thread - Page 33 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

prostreet67 · 05-05-2009, 12:38 AM

the wait is getting harder

*DGthe3* · 05-05-2009, 12:38 AM

Scott, lets see if I can summarize (and expand) what you're saying here. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

1) GM wants to make everyone happy
2) GM regrets not being able to make everyone happy
3) It is impossible to build cars exactly according to how orders were placed
4) It is illegal build only pre-orders and not give dealers cars for their lots/showrooms
5) Strange things happen when trying to satisfy both 3 and 4
6) Allocation is the main factor which determines when someone will get their car
7) The general public will never fully understand allocation, and it will often appear random and stupid. It is not.
8) Quality is the main concern at GM.

How'd I do?

Hylton · 05-05-2009, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Scott, lets see if I can summarize (and expand) what you're saying here. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

1) GM wants to make everyone happy
2) GM regrets not being able to make everyone happy
3) It is impossible to build cars exactly according to how orders were placed
4) It is illegal build only pre-orders and not give dealers cars for their lots/showrooms
5) Strange things happen when trying to satisfy both 3 and 4
6) Allocation is the main factor which determines when someone will get their car
7) The general public will never fully understand allocation, and it will often appear random and stupid. It is not.
8) Quality is the main concern at GM.

How'd I do?

Awesome job DG! Now summarize the customers concerns....

Silver Streak · 05-05-2009, 12:40 AM

Wow!

*Camaro_Corvette* · 05-05-2009, 12:43 AM

WOW, this thread is getting ripped up one side and down the other. Interesting read

FenwickHockey65 · 05-05-2009, 12:44 AM

A few days ago, my dad was extremely angry about something. Angry to the point that he didn't want to talk to anyone, just went to bed. The next day, he told me that it had been a while since he had been so angry that he could feel his heart pounding through his chest.

After reading through this thread, I'm feeling that way right now. I can barely type correctly. There are a TON of negative emotions going through my head right now ranging from sadness to full blown fury, and I'm about to go to bed angry and bitter.

This is ridiculous folks. Show some respect.

*DGthe3* · 05-05-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hylton

Awesome job DG! Now summarize the customers concerns....

I'll decline the request at the moment. Apparently, I don't understand the customers concerns, since I am not a customer at the moment. Feel free to explain things (since you are a customer) to the rest of us though because I'd like to know.

Hylton · 05-05-2009, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I'll decline the request at the moment. Apparently, I don't understand the customers concerns, since I am not a customer at the moment. Feel free to explain things (since you are a customer) to the rest of us though because I know I'd like to know.

Well it should be a piece of cake after your last post since you are not an automotive expert.....

2010 SS RS · 05-05-2009, 12:54 AM

So what did Gm have to do with the Lindburg Baby Kidnapping? I did not see that on the discovery channel. Just kidding around. Point well taken and remember we are all Camaro Bretheren and will be sharing some barley pop and bbq at some rally at some point in the future. So all of us need to think before posting. Not saying that constructive critisism is not a good thing and most of what has recently been said has been in a respectful but honest manner. It is really a case of mis-information, lack of information, and unjust procedures that I have found to be the upseting part. There is no reason that production could not be limited to R6P orders until they are filled. It would just increase demand in the future by having us nuts that are emotionally tied to the Camaro driving the demand. I know that most of us preorders were under the impression that the reason you preorder is to secure your spot in the first production not second to orders after 3-16-09.
Stated not stated written non written it was implied that this was why we needed to preorder and put down deposits and buy a 36000 dollar car sight unseen. We held up our end of the bargain. Has Chevy?

Z/28orSs · 05-05-2009, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzz28zzz

My idea, if I ran the place, would have been this..... Build the 20,000 Camaros (RP6's and dealer cars). Handle the logistical nightmare the best you could!!! Deliver every dealer car and every pre-order within a week of each other. Flood the streets and have a car at the dealership for NEW customers to come look at and buy. BUT I would have made the "dealership" car a loaner. GM still owns this car, you can NOT sell it. Once we catch up with demand, we will turn it over to you to do with what you want.

STILL SITTING AT 3400

yeah thast owuld be the case if they had money!

*Milk 1027* · 05-05-2009, 12:59 AM

I'm just going to say one thing about all this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and all the other GM people stop coming here and giving us all the info.

Z/28orSs · 05-05-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77

PEOPLE THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BITCH ABOUT..... THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BITCH.

+2

*DGthe3* · 05-05-2009, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hylton

Well it should be a piece of cake after your last post since you are not an automotive expert.....

My post was based mostly on what Scott has said lately, I wanted to make sure that I understood him correctly. On the other hand, you have repeatedly told me and others that we don't understand because we're not customers. Help us understand. Explain your side of things.

Hylton · 05-05-2009, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

My post was based mostly on what Scott has said lately, I wanted to make sure that I understood him correctly. On the other hand, you have repeatedly told me and others that we don't understand because we're not customers. Help us understand. Explain your side of things.

For the 50th time?

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05-05-2009, 12:38 AM	#450
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Scott, lets see if I can summarize (and expand) what you're saying here. Please correct me where I'm wrong. 1) GM wants to make everyone happy 2) GM regrets not being able to make everyone happy 3) It is impossible to build cars exactly according to how orders were placed 4) It is illegal build only pre-orders and not give dealers cars for their lots/showrooms 5) Strange things happen when trying to satisfy both 3 and 4 6) Allocation is the main factor which determines when someone will get their car 7) The general public will never fully understand allocation, and it will often appear random and stupid. It is not. 8) Quality is the main concern at GM. How'd I do? __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

05-05-2009, 12:40 AM	#452
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05-05-2009, 12:43 AM	#453
Camaro_Corvette 36.58625, -121.7568 Drives: Team 1LE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 23,710 View My Garage	WOW, this thread is getting ripped up one side and down the other. Interesting read __________________ I am seriously never serious vv V vv Next order of business

05-05-2009, 12:44 AM	#454
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2023 Expedition Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,375 View My Garage	A few days ago, my dad was extremely angry about something. Angry to the point that he didn't want to talk to anyone, just went to bed. The next day, he told me that it had been a while since he had been so angry that he could feel his heart pounding through his chest. After reading through this thread, I'm feeling that way right now. I can barely type correctly. There are a TON of negative emotions going through my head right now ranging from sadness to full blown fury, and I'm about to go to bed angry and bitter. This is ridiculous folks. Show some respect. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2023 Ford Expedition SSV (State-Issued)

05-05-2009, 12:54 AM	#457
2010 SS RS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IBM Black Polished Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,106	So what did Gm have to do with the Lindburg Baby Kidnapping? I did not see that on the discovery channel. Just kidding around. Point well taken and remember we are all Camaro Bretheren and will be sharing some barley pop and bbq at some rally at some point in the future. So all of us need to think before posting. Not saying that constructive critisism is not a good thing and most of what has recently been said has been in a respectful but honest manner. It is really a case of mis-information, lack of information, and unjust procedures that I have found to be the upseting part. There is no reason that production could not be limited to R6P orders until they are filled. It would just increase demand in the future by having us nuts that are emotionally tied to the Camaro driving the demand. I know that most of us preorders were under the impression that the reason you preorder is to secure your spot in the first production not second to orders after 3-16-09. Stated not stated written non written it was implied that this was why we needed to preorder and put down deposits and buy a 36000 dollar car sight unseen. We held up our end of the bargain. Has Chevy? __________________ 418 Stroker, 621RWHP 648 lbs TORQUE Built by Laramie GM Auto Center Tuned by Nick at Mac Autosport. EForce SC, 2 3/4pulley,LPE dual fuel pump, JRE Twin fuel rail upgrade, posi clutch kit, RX oilcatch can and breather, Callies Compstar crankshaft and rods, Racing bearings, CP -13.8 race pistons, steel rings, Comp Cams X6 blower cam, Springs, HD timing chain and tensioner, Doug Thorley Tri Y LT headers, 89.7lb injectors, RPM rollbar, DSS1400 shafts, Simpson 5 pt harness, BMR Toe rods and trailing arms, led lights, RPM input and output shafts

05-05-2009, 12:59 AM	#459
Milk 1027 Camaro➎ moderator Drives: '13 BLK 1LE Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 13,567 View My Garage	I'm just going to say one thing about all this. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and all the other GM people stop coming here and giving us all the info. __________________

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