My new OBX headers :-)

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

You are the one who said in the post above you wanted to to tell people about your superior header that did not cost $1500. There is nothing superior about your header. The Camaro being built in Canada with Mexican parts is a diversion really. A crutch that people bring up, when they want to redirect and not handle the actual issue that the parts are a Chinese knock off of Kooks. That and the whole "Why donesn't Kooks get a patent" argument.

Oh geez, this is like talking to my ex-wife. I NEVER said my header was superior. I said it was high quality without having to spend $1500. If and IF its a knock off its a really good one. Quality is subjective btw, a lot of people will say a $40,000 camaro is a low quality car and a $100,000 AMG Mercedes is a real high quality car, thats subjective. The chinese vs american only comes up because you and others will come on here and say "I only buy american made stuff", which is simply ridiculous. You are always going to have customers that will pay more to get the brand name, always. My little thread isn't hurting your business. You made it a point to come in this thread and start bashing what I bought not the other way around. The irony is I get a PM every now and then asking me about budget headers and I refer people to Maryland speed for the stainless power, the TSP header and OBX from Lashway motorsports. My point is people who only what to spend $700 on a header are for the most part not willing to spend more for the brand names and others will always pay more the label.

[Mud]

Wow, so long I couldn't read the whole thing. Thats whats bad about posting messages this long but anyways. I get what your saying but you can't compare someone stealing your song and its on the radio before yours comes out because headers are clearly different. Theres lots of headers that look similar and I've never doubted that the OBX is a copied product I just believe you have a right to decide what you want American or Chinese, crap or a great product. If they stole their idea they should do something about it, if not or if they can't then maybe try a redesign to distance yourself from the Chinese product. I don't know what to tell you guys, knock off or not, people like them and are working for them.

It's too long to read but you'll comment anyway?

Again, it's not the fact they're made in China that we're discussing here. Lots of products are made in China. It's if the product is an identical copy of someone else's design and being sold at half the price because they didn't invest in what it takes to design, engineer, and manufacture the product to what is probably a different standard.

I'm sure fake/unauthorized/unlicensed NBA or NFL gear is working for some people, too.

[Mud]

My point is people who only what to spend $700 on a header are for the most part not willing to spend more for the brand names and others will always pay more the label.

That's pretty much how I feel as well. There's a certain price point that something should be, good quality, good price.

I wish Doug Thorley would make some high flow cats that just bolt on to their headers. I think they make a pretty good header for the money.

[The SwiftChancelor]

Originally Posted by Mud

It's too long to read but you'll comment anyway?

Again, it's not the fact they're made in China that we're discussing here. Lots of products are made in China. It's if the product is an identical copy of someone else's design and being sold at half the price because they didn't invest in what it takes to design, engineer, and manufacture the product to what is probably a different standard.

I'm sure fake/unauthorized/unlicensed NBA or NFL gear is working for some people, too.

Well I didn't read the whole thing just the first paragraph. Again, I see what your saying but it looks like a certain somebody was at one point putting down the Chinese market all together not just OBX. He even sells the Stainless Power, outsourced work for SW but still Chinese made and he'll try to steer you from buying them to get you to go with American. How does that help, don't put down a product you sell and it how does that help business with SW, they make money off the SP's too.

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by The SwiftChancelor

Well I didn't read the whole thing just the first paragraph. Again, I see what your saying but it looks like a certain somebody was at one point putting down the Chinese market all together not just OBX. He even sells the Stainless Power, outsourced work for SW but still Chinese made and he'll try to steer you from buying them to get you to go with American. How does that help, don't put down a product you sell and it how does that help business with SW, they make money off the SP's too.

This thread is turning into nonsense. I sell SW, so therefore I do sell Stainless Power. I did not know it was wrong of me to recommend customers buy they higher quality SW that have a lifetime warranty and are made in America. I feel like I am in crazy land here.

I am sorry..next time I will just smile, give you some bs about how they are great, and take your money.

I am sorry if I upsetted the buyers of legitimate Chinese headers..hopefully this picture of a cute, apologetic looking puppy will give everyone a smile.

[bluetorp]

You know, there was a thread a while back (I forget which sub-forum it was), and the general gist of it was something like "Should I buy 'x' part from or get a tune from 'So-and-so', I've never even heard of them". Somebody responded that "So-and-so" was actually very well known and respected in the community, and that they just did not post on this forum, and that a lot of really well-known vendors and tuners and whatnot also do not post on Camaro5. So, this person naturally asks the question, "Why not?"

If this thread had been around then, I would have just linked it as a reply.

The shenanigans taking place in this thread are a big reason that some vendors and manufacturers and tuners and even enthusiasts prefer to spend their time elsewhere.

[The SwiftChancelor]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

This thread is turning into nonsense. I sell SW, so therefore I do sell Stainless Power. I did not know it was wrong of me to recommend customers buy they higher quality SW that have a lifetime warranty and are made in America. I feel like I am in crazy land here.

I am sorry..next time I will just smile, give you some bs about how they are great, and take your money.

I am sorry if I upsetted the buyers of legitimate Chinese headers..hopefully this picture of a cute, apologetic looking puppy will give everyone a smile.

Does SW know you insult their Chinese product? Their making money off those headers too so if your trying to sell me Kooks instead of SW, then who you really tryin to help. You won't give me a smile with your cause I wouldn't buy from you.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by bluetorp

You know, there was a thread a while back (I forget which sub-forum it was), and the general gist of it was something like "Should I buy 'x' part from or get a tune from 'So-and-so', I've never even heard of them". Somebody responded that "So-and-so" was actually very well known and respected in the community, and that they just did not post on this forum, and that a lot of really well-known vendors and tuners and whatnot also do not post on Camaro5. So, this person naturally asks the question, "Why not?"

If this thread had been around then, I would have just linked it as a reply.

The shenanigans taking place in this thread are a big reason that some vendors and manufacturers and tuners and even enthusiasts prefer to spend their time elsewhere.

Agreed, like figuring out how to be more competitive and creative with new products instead of bashing me and others for not buying the brand name. Ooooor, use the vendor sales section for the anti-Chinese sales pitch. I think that's what it's there for.

[eastwoodisme]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

This thread is turning into nonsense. I sell SW, so therefore I do sell Stainless Power. I did not know it was wrong of me to recommend customers buy they higher quality SW that have a lifetime warranty and are made in America. I feel like I am in crazy land here.

I am sorry..next time I will just smile, give you some bs about how they are great, and take your money.

I am sorry if I upsetted the buyers of legitimate Chinese headers..hopefully this picture of a cute, apologetic looking puppy will give everyone a smile.

If you were to be more like Ted, who will put in his .02 but only to advise, never to really argue, you would be alot better off. I read this thread and solely judged on the way you behave, have decided never to purchase anything from you and will tell everyone I know the same.

Ted is patient, kind, and backs up his statements (nearly every single one of them) with cold, hard proof. You just sound like an 18 year old pissed off at the world that this company has (supposedly) copied Kooks. How can you prove that? Other than looks? I know that all spark plugs for my camaro look pretty dang similar... does that mean that I can't buy them??

KUDOS TO OBX FOR TAKING AN OVERPRICED HEADER, DESIGNING IT THEMSELVES AND SELLING IT FOR WHAT IT SHOULD BE. Most americans view knock offs only as those who try and use anothers symbol to fool a buyer or spectators into thinking they are the real deal. Last I checked these are "OBX" and Kooks should take a close look because I know tons of people running them. There's a reason you don't sell that many headers, one is because of how you treat other Camaro5 members, the other is because of the price. Screw $1200 headers.

[AzItaliaSS]

+1 To EASTWOOD!!! he must be one of us 5-10(according a certain vendor) that share the same view, he also must be the one of the "for every one of you there are six that call,thank and order from me" as well. LMAO

[eastwoodisme]

Originally Posted by AzItaliaSS

+1 To EASTWOOD!!! he must be one of us 5-10(according a certain vendor) that share the same view, he also must be the one of the "for every one of you there are six that call,thank and order from me" as well. LMAO

Yea I'm a 1 in 6. Get at me.

If there were truly 6 of every one of us, he wouldn't have time to sit on the computer and cry that Kooks is losing money. Also if Kooks were outselling OBX 6 to 1 why would he be griping? Welcome to competition. BTW it's working because by OBX generating so many customers, Kooks is looking into how to shave down that price tag a little bit.

Competition breeds excellence. Since none of these headers are perfect, I guess we'll keep breeding

[Camarowguy]

This thread has turned it to a stupid bullshit arguing thread. Nice.

I'd also like to add, designing and building a set of headers for the 5th gen camaro is not rocket science. as a matter of fact, it's not a staggering feat by any means. I don't understand the whining about it. It's actually easier to make a set of headers from scratch than to try and copy some headers. Plus, there's only so many different ways to run the tubes (not many ways) do your copying claim doesn't hold water. It's bs actually. Tell you what, go build a set of headers for a camaro. Then post a pic of them. I guarandamntee you the final product is gonna have pretty much the same design and routing as any other long tube. It's because that's where you run the tubes. Again, building headers is not rocket science.

[eastwoodisme]

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

This thread has turned it to a stupid bullshit arguing thread. Nice.

I'd also like to add, designing and building a set of headers for the 5th gen camaro is not rocket science. as a matter of fact, it's not a staggering feat by any means. I don't understand the whining about it. It's actually easier to make a set of headers from scratch than to try and copy some headers. Plus, there's only so many different ways to run the tubes (not many ways) do your copying claim doesn't hold water. It's bs actually. Tell you what, go build a set of headers for a camaro. Then post a pic of them. I guarandamntee you the final product is gonna have pretty much the same design and routing as any other long tube. It's because that's where you run the tubes. Again, building headers is not rocket science.

Can't find the damn like button for this post!

+1

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by Robyn57

OBX headers were out of stock everywhere when I was looking to buy. That's the only reason I spent more on the Kooks.
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