05-21-2012, 12:04 PM | #85 |
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^I'm sorry; I hear you but I'm just not feelin' the ZL1's advantages. Results are results, and right now Ford has the ball. Not even talking about the economic advantage with the same base price and the absence of the gas guzzler tax.
I do not want to say that Chevy can't respond, as they are quite capable of doing so. However, I have my fears that they may not do squat. That leaves the choice of either defecting to Ford or just not buying.
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05-21-2012, 12:12 PM | #86 | |
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the Gt500 has a better quarter mile time and no gas guzzler which is cool. the base price is minus the performace pack which you must have to really be apples vs apples. then the Gt500 costs more. there is no way the base suspension is going to handle as well as a ZL1 I don't think the PP will even but that remains to be seen. To me the Gt500 doe snot look better but looks are subjective. when I read statemets like "ford has the ball" it makes me lauch because car companies are in busniness to sell cars. Right now chevy outsells ford in the segment so for the point of making cars "chevy still has the ball" from the persective how makes a muslce car that has the best quarter mile time Ford has the ball but has had it since 2011. GM equaled it for about 2 months. this has not prevented them from selling more car though. Same way mustang used to outsell camaro's yet they were slower from say 98-2002.
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05-21-2012, 12:14 PM | #87 | |
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Sorry but the whole thing makes no sense ... The Camaro is not the flagship car of Chevy, the ZR1 is. Ford on the other hand has all their eggs in one basket so to speak. It seems to me it's mainly the younger crowd that have thin skin and are insecure about their man hood. I for one am very content where I'm at and have nothing to prove to anyone. Hail Retirement !!!
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05-21-2012, 12:18 PM | #88 |
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^#86, The zl1 and gt500's comparison will not be based on sales. Both cars will surely be judged by their performance. There will not be any escape from the obvious mismatch in performance. Two cars that start at roughly the same base price (If MT is correct), but with one car having a sizeable power and performance advantage, will bode well for the faster car in the comparison (as i see it).
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Dude ... Just down the hall, last door on the left you will find the Ford camp. Knock yourself out !!!
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05-21-2012, 12:53 PM | #91 | |
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For future reference, Greater Power DOES NOT neccesarily = Greater Performance, and Performance DOES NOT = 1/4 Mile Times Only
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05-21-2012, 01:18 PM | #92 |
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They got us in a straight line, I don't think they can hold there own on a track, but I could be wrong. I just want Chevy to add HP or offer a upgrade with warranty. The reason for this is, I just don't care for the Mustang. I had a 2005 GT and it felt shabby, the Camaro feels like a better built car. So if my SS feels like a solid car I can't imagine the ZL1. For those of us who can't afford a ZR1 a little HP bump would be nice.
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05-21-2012, 01:25 PM | #93 |
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Look, Chevy has often said they want to delight the customer, so if its possible, I would really like a pulley and tune that carries a 3/36 warranty if installed by a dealer. Not dissapointed in any way with my ZL1--in fact its AWESOME!! but I would gladly pay for a 50-100 HP upgrade and they could roll a warranty charge in it!!
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05-21-2012, 01:27 PM | #94 |
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Why are we going through the SAME arguments time and time and time again???
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05-21-2012, 01:30 PM | #95 |
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Why don't you take that walk?? After you....
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05-21-2012, 02:11 PM | #96 |
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From my perspective it is the entire package.
Does anyone really need more power than the ZL1 offers for the street? Who cares if the Ford has slightly more......if you are going to the track regularly AND have the right launch skills (along with many other factors) you MAY loose to a GT500 once but I think it will be darn close each run. If you don't live at the track, it comes down to how enjoyable the car is as an all round vehicle that you can live with and love the looks. I have a boosted car with 650 RWHP/720 TQ now and it can be too much for the street at times......especially when there is any hint of moisture on the road. Not too many spots where you can utilize all that HP these days without risking loosing your license. I am buying a ZL1 because of how it is was engineered as a complete package ....... and the looks and fit of the Mustang just don't work for me (to each his own). It is nice to have choice and options to customize your vehicle as you want but for me, the ZL1 is just right and other than maybe a CAI and cat-back down the road, she has all the power I will need . A 500 RWHP car that can handle the twisties is pretty sweet . Nice job Chevy |
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05-21-2012, 05:37 PM | #98 |
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I just don't get why the 2012 model chevy is being compared to the 2013 model ford. Seems kind of biased to me. Chevy had to rush this thing into production with a limited budget. They were behind from the hold on z28 development back in the dark days. To be fair the 2012 zl1 should be compared to the 2012 gt500. Now chevy may not make any changes for 2013 and still get one upped, but they aren't even being given the chance before being bashed by unequal year comparisons. I think 2014 will be the year for chevy to fire back because of more time to develop but its hard to tell what ford will do then. Smartest thing chevy can do for 2014 is wait to release hp until after ford this time so ford doesn't have time to one up them again. End of rant. On another note I like the shelby and considered buying one.
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