HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! 2009 CAMARO (BLACK) NO CAMO - IN THE FLESH!

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by camero

GM was the first company to put LED tail lights on cars and now is the first to put LED headlights on. LED tail lights are actually going out of style I think. VW used to make such a huge deal of it's LED tail lights and I just noticed that the new Passat has normal old taillights now. They cost a lot more for very little added value. I don't think they are the future of all cars even if you capitalize the freaking year a lot in your posts. They are just for luxury cars where the price isn't a big deal.

Originally Posted by camero

Segment-first, innovative LED headlamps

Escalade Platinum will be the first SUV - and one of the first vehicles of any kind - to offer Light Emitting Diode (LED) headlamps. Used previously only on concept vehicles or exotic sports cars, LED headlamps mark another step in Cadillac's application of advanced lighting technology and design.

LED headlamps emit a greatly more precise light pattern, while emulating the characteristics of natural daylight much more closely than traditional auto lighting. LEDs are environmentally friendly, using much less power and lasting more than 20 times longer than traditional halogen bulbs. LED headlamps will be an enhancement added to the Escalade Platinum in the summer of 2008, shortly after the start of production of the Platinum model itself in the spring of 2008.

http://www.netcarshow.com/cadillac/2...lade_platinum/

In the first post, are you talking about added value as in resale type value or just general value? Because your second post seems to place LED headlights way above the general ones, or is that exagerated? Personally I would love to have LED headlights because anything that can make night driving easier works for me, especially if it ends up not blinding the drivers coming at me like a lot of the retarded headlights today do. I can see them not having them on the Camaro though for price issues.

[camero]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

I'm very pleased with the progress of the Camaro so far. They have (to the best of their ability) kept in step with the concepts intent. Nice job. Now for the gripe. I can live with the gas filler not being in the top of the fender (they're decision) but for crying out loud will they please keep the filler door on the same side as the steering wheel. If they make a Camaro right hand drive then move the door to the right.

Originally Posted by Omega94

Are there ANY cars where they do that?? It seems like a lot to do and a lot of money and re-tooling just to have the gas cap on the same side as the steering wheel (i.e. creating new quarter panels, possibly different gas tank set-up, etc.)

You can say that again. You can't imagine how much re-tooling that would require! All for nothing. New body panels, filler necks, floorpans, gastanks, exhaust systems, etc. It's actually good more GM people DON'T read these forums.... they'd end up going insane trying to understand people putting so much importance on something that doesn't matter at all. And before you reply trying to impress on us all how much it DOES matter, re-read all the postings from people saying they'd rather have it on the opposite side from the driver. Please keep you're "crying out loud" to more important stuff! I do understand why people would want it on top and be cool billet aluminum but can't figure out at all why anyone would want it on one side more than the other. Don't explain it though.... it's not moving! Seriously: it was locked in by the Zeta platform long before the Camaro was even started.

Originally Posted by Roflmao

In the first post, are you talking about added value as in resale type value or just general value? Because your second post seems to place LED headlights way above the general ones, or is that exagerated? Personally I would love to have LED headlights because anything that can make night driving easier works for me, especially if it ends up not blinding the drivers coming at me like a lot of the retarded headlights today do. I can see them not having them on the Camaro though for price issues.

I meant that the tail lights have a lot of extra cost for very little extra value.... only worth it when the cost is a very small part of the total price. The headlights have a higher cost but a higher value too so they might catch on even more than the tail lights.

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by camero

I meant that the tail lights have a lot of extra cost for very little extra value.... only worth it when the cost is a very small part of the total price. The headlights have a higher cost but a higher value too so they might catch on even more than the tail lights.

Okay gotcha, I was thinking you were talking about the headlights not the tail lights. I agree that the tail lights just need to light up... only place I can think LED would be useful is in heavy fog for people to see you breaking further back? Maybe not even that. But yes LED headlights are nice methinks.

[B O N E Z]

it seems thicker from top to bottom and alot shorter than the concept. Still looks awsome but compared to the concept it looks... ok.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by B O N E Z

it seems thicker from top to bottom and alot shorter than the concept. Still looks awsome but compared to the concept it looks... ok.

Thats the keyword right there, it seems thicker. Mostly it comes from perspective, paint, lighting, and camera lens. Camero has told us (I think he has at least) that based on the CAD models, the two cars are practically identical in terms of exterior dimensions and proportions.

[Tran]

Here's another chop:

[Al Robinson]

Originally Posted by camero

You can say that again. You can't imagine how much re-tooling that would require! All for nothing. New body panels, filler necks, floorpans, gastanks, exhaust systems, etc. It's actually good more GM people DON'T read these forums.... they'd end up going insane trying to understand people putting so much importance on something that doesn't matter at all. And before you reply trying to impress on us all how much it DOES matter, re-read all the postings from people saying they'd rather have it on the opposite side from the driver. Please keep you're "crying out loud" to more important stuff! I do understand why people would want it on top and be cool billet aluminum but can't figure out at all why anyone would want it on one side more than the other. Don't explain it though.... it's not moving! Seriously: it was locked in by the Zeta platform long before the Camaro was even started.


I meant that the tail lights have a lot of extra cost for very little extra value.... only worth it when the cost is a very small part of the total price. The headlights have a higher cost but a higher value too so they might catch on even more than the tail lights.

It was my opinion. I thought this was an open forum for people to express themselves?

[91t/a]

this thing is soooo sick especially in black!!!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

It was my opinion. I thought this was an open forum for people to express themselves?

You are, and so is he. He was just explaining the difficulty in doing what you proposed. I'm sure he didn't mean to sound as harsh as he did.

[camero]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

It was my opinion. I thought this was an open forum for people to express themselves?

Yeah sorry, it's like the headlights. I didn't mean to chew you out but when people keep asking for the headlights to change it's ridiculous. Those aren't the headlights and when a half dozen people a week say they don't like them for three months straight people start to snap. When people say they want the gas cap on the other side for three months straight I snap. It's not going to change, it's been explained many times. The car is done except for a few final touches. I mean it's theoretically possible that the door could be replaced by a billet cap (it won't though) but it's not going to change location. Yeah a forum is a place to post opinions, but even more it's a place to read about stuff to help form your opinions! Again, sorry though.

[z28camaro2471]

Originally Posted by Tran

Two photoshops by JaysonAych...

Wow and wow again! Rims and raised white letters give our new Camaro a totally new look! Hot!

[Just a Skidmark]

hey!!! maybe the trailer hitch is for hauling ass!! imagine that!

[Camaroman_99]

Just logged in and WOW, I luv it! keep the 'shops coming.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

It was my opinion. I thought this was an open forum for people to express themselves?

sorry -- but a lot of us are working long hours these days -- our passion is high -- and our tempers a bit short sometimes -- so we come off as a lil *strong* --

(esp. when you go to some of the sites where a lot of people say this car was the ugliest thing ever produced......of course, I won't comment on them -- or the fact that I'm PLEASED they'll buy a Challenger......)