07-22-2009, 09:30 AM | #85 | |
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I never once said they shouldn't tell people what VIN range is affected, I just said it's not really any business to you, as the consumer, to worry about the root cause, whether it be GM's or Tremec's fault. As long as it gets fixed.
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07-22-2009, 09:48 AM | #86 | |
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Thank you so much for helping to do the right thing. We look forward to hearing the source of the issue and the list of who may be affected. If only all manufacturers would do that... EVERYBODY here has a keyboard but we all have different levels of typing "skills". -Mark. |
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07-22-2009, 09:50 AM | #87 |
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Man, has this thread spiraled out of control.
I don't see any one taking up arms about the L99's not having power as advertised... how about you re-direct those pitchforks and torches towards the folks that have a problem that isn't being addressed at all, from what I can see.
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07-22-2009, 09:54 AM | #88 | |
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It was my understanding that GM is working on determining the cause of the L99 issue. I know they were doing testing with Scott@bjorn3d's car. |
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07-22-2009, 09:56 AM | #89 | |
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In cases when a manufacturer cannot provide that piece of mind then your OWED some explanation of what will be done in lieu of it. Not vague "we got it taken care of" but something that will convince me NOT to get rid of the car because of potential issues and NEVER buy another GM product again. It is this very attitude that allow car manufacturers to continue producing vehicles even though there is known design/manufacturing issues. |
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07-22-2009, 09:58 AM | #90 | |
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I think Scott@Bjorn3d may have a bit more clout, and that may be where he was given a 2nd look over. Otherwise, I haven't heard of a single fix for any of the L99's out there.
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07-22-2009, 10:00 AM | #91 | ||
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I am curious as to how you would handle a reporter coming up to you and saying, "Bob says the G8 is going to be saved as a Chevy, what do you think". Should he say, "Bob is brilliant and if he disagrees with what I said in the press 2 months ago then I guess I'll just have to change my mind"? Or maybe you like, "Gosh that is a nice comment from Bob. I think I'll go talk to him right after we finish this interview"? Quote:
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Why would they warranty their work for so long if they didn't believe it would work? Why do other foreign manufacterers warranty their work for much less? In a mass produced environment with many outside producers of parts, there are bound to be hiccups. Do you think you are OWED daily briefings from the Oshawa plant for any potential problems that may arise? How about weekly briefings? I make ridiculous statements because I think some of these responses are ridiculous. Of course I want a car that I paid 30-40K for to perform as designed, advertised, and priced. However, I'm not going to take a torch and start burning down GM because they didn't release a VIN range less than a week of the issue being discovered. Take a step back and realize how ridiculous some of this sounds. We need more of this - and less of this - :
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Secondly, without bankruptcy, GM would have never gotten out of the union agreements, franchise agreements and debt which had been suffocating the company for decades. I'm not going to debate the full size pick-up SUV thing except to say that all business must plan and budget for an industry down-turn.
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I think sometimes it is easy to forget that 40k is what many small businesses earn in a year. This is not a trivial investment in any company. We consumers should demand that for the money comes the piece of mind that we received a product worthy of the purchase price ( however we choose to judge it ). I do think GM’s drivetrain warranty is a good one, better than many competitors. I found issue with your comments ( which were in response to another’s posters desire to understand the real issue ) that we consumers are not really owed anything more than a product with a given period warranty. I just disagree with that sentiment. Today any vehicle where the drivetrain does not last substantially longer than 100k ( with proper maintenance ) is a sub-industry drivetrain. Regardless if repairs are made under warranty. That we have enough failures to warrant conversation on a vehicle that is a couple months old indicates issues. GM should come forward and disclose the problem/solution so someone much more knowledgeable than myself can confirm that yes this should take care of present and future issues. Consumer piece of mind. Otherwise you are left with their word that everything is rosy which BTW is what we believed in the first place. |
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07-22-2009, 10:36 AM | #96 | |
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"The G8 is under review. Bob's opinion of it is shared by many people, both within and outside of the company. But we have to look at all the angles, and his opinion, though very valuable, is just one of the angles we are looking at" What was wrong with something like that? It doesn't throw Bob under the bus in public, but it basically says the same thing. |
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