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summit1le · 06-07-2014, 02:59 PM

So I plan on upgrading my subframe bushings to solid units, as well as bushing upgrades to the front radius arms. Now with Pedders and Pfadt gone, what rear sway bar would be an upgrade? I plan on running a 19 inch square setup with Toyo Proxes R888 in 295/30/19 All around. Also have some Ridetech Coilovers on the horizon. What brand/size sway bar would be considered an upgrade, or should I just leave it alone.

Fraxum · 06-08-2014, 12:14 AM

I assume from your questions you are track oriented.

I would start with the stock setup and see how that works for you. The stock setup has proven to be very fast and a nice street compromise as is. From there look at mods from members like DropSpeed who was been killing with a fairly stock car. I especially would leave the sway bars alone. The radius rod bushings would be a nice step to tighten up the steering. The rear bushings would be more to cure wheelhop and side stepout which are both not that bad with stock power. If you go FI then look at doing all the rear bushings.

DropSpeed's build:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990

summit1le · 06-08-2014, 09:56 AM

Thanks for the response. I have already tracked the car, I have some power adders and plan on doing a cam in the fall, my question was more what bar and brand replaced the Pfadt and Pedders Z bar upgrade, I believe it was a 32m Bar

Arubberbaby · 06-09-2014, 11:03 PM

I did the Bmr 32mm rear bar and it made everything great to me. The car rotates alot easier.

AG1LE · 06-09-2014, 11:18 PM

I know this doesn't help in the near-term, but it sounds like Apex might bring back the Pfadt sways...no idea when though....

Arubberbaby · 06-09-2014, 11:34 PM

I'm really quite happy with the bmr rear bar. It's 32 mm so I tried to make my own peddlers 1le permagrin kit using bmr parts.

Scott@Bjorn3D · 06-09-2014, 11:41 PM

Question is do you want to go to oversteer. The 1LE is almost a neutral balanced car. That is why put a blower on one and you can run just as quick if not quicker around a track than a ZL1. Get to much stiffer on the rear and it will swing out on you and you tail end will be all over the place.

I would first up your power then see how it handles for you. Then do the bushing if need be.

Arubberbaby · 06-10-2014, 05:40 AM

Yeah she can get tail happy now. But the balance is very neutral, with a hint of oversteer rather than the slight understeer it has from the factory. And when it's about to oversteer you can tell it has a good amount of warning before you slide.

summit1le · 06-10-2014, 07:31 AM

I will probably leave it alone for now. I have added the Headers,intake and tune since my last track day at Sebring. I am running Homestead and Daytona coming up. I planned on Camming the Car after Daytona. I am curious about getting a dedicated set of wheels/tires for the track. at 3700 miles my Goodyears don't look like they will last. I was thinking about replacing them with a set of Pilot Supersports, and getting a set of 19 inch wheels with Toyo R888 for the track. Or replace the tires with the PSS and get a Replica set and get a spare set of the Goodyear F1's for the track. I was quite impressed with the Goodyears on the track. Which would be a better idea? YOu can basically steal a set of Goodyear F1's now. OR would the Toyo 19 inch setup be better?

Arubberbaby · 06-10-2014, 08:35 AM

I got 7000 miles out of my rear f1's and saved the fronts they probably have 4 -5k left in them but I put the PSS' s on and am enjoying them so far. I will also be doing a 2nd set of track wheels/tires soon.

zim2323 · 06-10-2014, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summit1le

Now with Pedders and Pfadt gone

Can someone educate me on this? I'm fairly new to the Camaro5 scene. I've only had my 1LE for a couple months and a member for about as long. Both seem to still have working websites.

What am I missing?

summit1le · 06-10-2014, 05:01 PM

They are gone! You will not be able to place an order

markgws6 · 06-10-2014, 06:41 PM

summit, Check out Orange Crush's setup. He has run some good quick times with it and is pretty much more or less what you will be doing as far as power adders go:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=orange+crush

JDP Sales · 06-10-2014, 07:36 PM

On the 1LE, the key points to address are a stiffer rear bar, Subframe/cradle bushings, upper control arm bushings, Trailing arms w/outer bushings and some radius inserts. Then choose between some good coilovers or springs. There are quite a few options to go with depending on budget and quality of parts.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to assist.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

06-07-2014, 02:59 PM	#1
summit1le Drives: 15 Lexus RCF, 17 Vette Grand Sport Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Florida Posts: 549	1LE Suspension Advise So I plan on upgrading my subframe bushings to solid units, as well as bushing upgrades to the front radius arms. Now with Pedders and Pfadt gone, what rear sway bar would be an upgrade? I plan on running a 19 inch square setup with Toyo Proxes R888 in 295/30/19 All around. Also have some Ridetech Coilovers on the horizon. What brand/size sway bar would be considered an upgrade, or should I just leave it alone. __________________ 2013 Summit 1SS 1LE w/NPP, SW 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers, CAI Intake, Ported TB, Cammotion 224/232 113 LSA, BTR Valvetrain, Melling Oil Pump, 468 HP 423, Apex Catch Can, Tank Plates, RPM 4 Point Roll Bar with SCCA/NASA Cross Brace, Schroth 6 Point Han's Harness, OMP WRC Front Seats, F.M.T Trailing Arms, F.M.T Solid Aluminum Subframe Bushings, Moreno Motorsports Camber Plates, BMR Bushings Front and Rear, Essex/AP Racing Radi-Cal Endurance Front Brakes, Quantum Brake Cooling Ducts, ZL1 Rockers, ZL1 Air Deflectors, Heritage Grill, Pfadt Springs.

06-08-2014, 12:14 AM	#2
Fraxum Drives: a M6 LT1 ordered From Becky!!! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,520	I assume from your questions you are track oriented. I would start with the stock setup and see how that works for you. The stock setup has proven to be very fast and a nice street compromise as is. From there look at mods from members like DropSpeed who was been killing with a fairly stock car. I especially would leave the sway bars alone. The radius rod bushings would be a nice step to tighten up the steering. The rear bushings would be more to cure wheelhop and side stepout which are both not that bad with stock power. If you go FI then look at doing all the rear bushings. DropSpeed's build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990 __________________ "Democracy Dies in Darkness" My LT1 Keeper ..... ..... My Car Blog CarPlayList, a free App to build USB and Android Music drives.

06-08-2014, 09:56 AM	#3
summit1le Drives: 15 Lexus RCF, 17 Vette Grand Sport Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Florida Posts: 549	Thanks for the response. I have already tracked the car, I have some power adders and plan on doing a cam in the fall, my question was more what bar and brand replaced the Pfadt and Pedders Z bar upgrade, I believe it was a 32m Bar __________________ 2013 Summit 1SS 1LE w/NPP, SW 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers, CAI Intake, Ported TB, Cammotion 224/232 113 LSA, BTR Valvetrain, Melling Oil Pump, 468 HP 423, Apex Catch Can, Tank Plates, RPM 4 Point Roll Bar with SCCA/NASA Cross Brace, Schroth 6 Point Han's Harness, OMP WRC Front Seats, F.M.T Trailing Arms, F.M.T Solid Aluminum Subframe Bushings, Moreno Motorsports Camber Plates, BMR Bushings Front and Rear, Essex/AP Racing Radi-Cal Endurance Front Brakes, Quantum Brake Cooling Ducts, ZL1 Rockers, ZL1 Air Deflectors, Heritage Grill, Pfadt Springs.

06-09-2014, 11:03 PM	#4
Arubberbaby 141LE Drives: 14 AGM 1LE Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Springhill TN Posts: 97	I did the Bmr 32mm rear bar and it made everything great to me. The car rotates alot easier. __________________

06-09-2014, 11:34 PM	#6
Arubberbaby 141LE Drives: 14 AGM 1LE Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Springhill TN Posts: 97	I'm really quite happy with the bmr rear bar. It's 32 mm so I tried to make my own peddlers 1le permagrin kit using bmr parts. __________________

06-09-2014, 11:18 PM	#5
AG1LE Drives: '14 1LE Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 2,438	I know this doesn't help in the near-term, but it sounds like Apex might bring back the Pfadt sways...no idea when though....

06-09-2014, 11:41 PM	#7
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	Question is do you want to go to oversteer. The 1LE is almost a neutral balanced car. That is why put a blower on one and you can run just as quick if not quicker around a track than a ZL1. Get to much stiffer on the rear and it will swing out on you and you tail end will be all over the place. I would first up your power then see how it handles for you. Then do the bushing if need be.

06-10-2014, 05:40 AM	#8
Arubberbaby 141LE Drives: 14 AGM 1LE Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Springhill TN Posts: 97	Yeah she can get tail happy now. But the balance is very neutral, with a hint of oversteer rather than the slight understeer it has from the factory. And when it's about to oversteer you can tell it has a good amount of warning before you slide. __________________

06-10-2014, 07:31 AM	#9
summit1le Drives: 15 Lexus RCF, 17 Vette Grand Sport Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Florida Posts: 549	I will probably leave it alone for now. I have added the Headers,intake and tune since my last track day at Sebring. I am running Homestead and Daytona coming up. I planned on Camming the Car after Daytona. I am curious about getting a dedicated set of wheels/tires for the track. at 3700 miles my Goodyears don't look like they will last. I was thinking about replacing them with a set of Pilot Supersports, and getting a set of 19 inch wheels with Toyo R888 for the track. Or replace the tires with the PSS and get a Replica set and get a spare set of the Goodyear F1's for the track. I was quite impressed with the Goodyears on the track. Which would be a better idea? YOu can basically steal a set of Goodyear F1's now. OR would the Toyo 19 inch setup be better? __________________ 2013 Summit 1SS 1LE w/NPP, SW 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers, CAI Intake, Ported TB, Cammotion 224/232 113 LSA, BTR Valvetrain, Melling Oil Pump, 468 HP 423, Apex Catch Can, Tank Plates, RPM 4 Point Roll Bar with SCCA/NASA Cross Brace, Schroth 6 Point Han's Harness, OMP WRC Front Seats, F.M.T Trailing Arms, F.M.T Solid Aluminum Subframe Bushings, Moreno Motorsports Camber Plates, BMR Bushings Front and Rear, Essex/AP Racing Radi-Cal Endurance Front Brakes, Quantum Brake Cooling Ducts, ZL1 Rockers, ZL1 Air Deflectors, Heritage Grill, Pfadt Springs.

06-10-2014, 08:35 AM	#10
Arubberbaby 141LE Drives: 14 AGM 1LE Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Springhill TN Posts: 97	I got 7000 miles out of my rear f1's and saved the fronts they probably have 4 -5k left in them but I put the PSS' s on and am enjoying them so far. I will also be doing a 2nd set of track wheels/tires soon. __________________

06-10-2014, 05:01 PM	#12
summit1le Drives: 15 Lexus RCF, 17 Vette Grand Sport Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Florida Posts: 549	They are gone! You will not be able to place an order __________________ 2013 Summit 1SS 1LE w/NPP, SW 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers, CAI Intake, Ported TB, Cammotion 224/232 113 LSA, BTR Valvetrain, Melling Oil Pump, 468 HP 423, Apex Catch Can, Tank Plates, RPM 4 Point Roll Bar with SCCA/NASA Cross Brace, Schroth 6 Point Han's Harness, OMP WRC Front Seats, F.M.T Trailing Arms, F.M.T Solid Aluminum Subframe Bushings, Moreno Motorsports Camber Plates, BMR Bushings Front and Rear, Essex/AP Racing Radi-Cal Endurance Front Brakes, Quantum Brake Cooling Ducts, ZL1 Rockers, ZL1 Air Deflectors, Heritage Grill, Pfadt Springs.

06-10-2014, 06:41 PM	#13
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	summit, Check out Orange Crush's setup. He has run some good quick times with it and is pretty much more or less what you will be doing as far as power adders go: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=orange+crush __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

06-10-2014, 07:36 PM	#14
JDP Sales Drives: Chevys at the limit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 9,621	On the 1LE, the key points to address are a stiffer rear bar, Subframe/cradle bushings, upper control arm bushings, Trailing arms w/outer bushings and some radius inserts. Then choose between some good coilovers or springs. There are quite a few options to go with depending on budget and quality of parts. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to assist. Best regards, Tyler 888-308-6007