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Z1 Dunn · 09-28-2014, 03:44 PM

yes pick the right tuner some can make more power than others. I have seen some guys go from 10.90 with the whipple intake and headers then switch tuners and add a cam,meth,lighter wheels and more boost and so on, and only go to about 10.50. s. that's not a big gain for the amount of mods.

EDFHOBBIES · 10-01-2014, 10:43 AM

I have had zero problems with the Eforce for the last 3 1/3 years and 65K. I dynoed 501 RWHP (no headers) the eforce comes with a pretty good CAI so no gains going to a roto fab other than it looks a lot better.

I'm all about saving in the long run.. any kit you get will be under injector size for your goal, so if you can get a kit that has 85lb injectors or ID850s or purchase a race kit like the eforce that takes out the injectors you will save.. All the heat exchanger will be inadequate as well so if you can get a kit with out one do that to because it will be wasting money. It can go toward the Afco dual pass or lingenfelters re-branded afco.

The fuel pump will be on the boarder line, the ZL1 at that HP work 75% of the time. Most shops will make you go ahead and get a squash or Lingenfelter pump. The aeromotive pumps gets bashed a lot but I thinks its because its a harder install for I keep hearing of pump problems but never actually seen a stock pile of bad pumps.

The down side to the old eforce was it seem to soak up heat but it does make low end torque a lot sooner then all. they have done some corrections to the problem but not heard feed back to see if heat soak is still a problem.. BTW they all heat soak

I'm now at 617 rwhp with one lower pulley and a BTR cam with CNC LS3 heads by GMHP. thats at 7 psi which I think is pretty efficient cause boost is so low.

I saw 12psi for a ECS Or ESC vortec basically made 647 rwhp thats real close to lifting a head though unless you change to studs.

Unreal · 10-01-2014, 11:17 AM

AGP turbo kit comes with a huge intercooler, no heak soak. 80lb injectors, no injector issues.

Stock 2014 with 1300 miles, still being broke in, 14psi on AGP kit 806rwhp. Installed in a day, super easy. Comes with everything you need. Catchcan, all vacuum lines, fuel system, everything to take a bone stock car to 800+. On an auto car, they consistently see 650-700rwhp. Manuals 750-800rwhp. Can adjust it from 500-800 with turn of a knob. No belt issues, no upgrade HEs, belt systems. No need for cam, headers, or swapping injectors/etc later. Car was limited by fuel pump to 806rwhp, otherwise 900+ would have been easy enough. Plus it is cheaper than any of the options you are looking at.

BullF-16 · 10-01-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

AGP turbo kit comes with a huge intercooler, no heak soak. 80lb injectors, no injector issues.

Stock 2014 with 1300 miles, still being broke in, 14psi on AGP kit 806rwhp. Installed in a day, super easy. Comes with everything you need. Catchcan, all vacuum lines, fuel system, everything to take a bone stock car to 800+. On an auto car, they consistently see 650-700rwhp. Manuals 750-800rwhp. Can adjust it from 500-800 with turn of a knob. No belt issues, no upgrade HEs, belt systems. No need for cam, headers, or swapping injectors/etc later. Car was limited by fuel pump to 806rwhp, otherwise 900+ would have been easy enough. Plus it is cheaper than any of the options you are looking at.

AGP TT. Do it right the first time if your eventual goal is more than 800. The system grows with your goals

camarossdusk · 10-01-2014, 02:21 PM

With the whipple kit, should be ok with supplied injectors, i upgraded to zl1 pump, adm fpcm, running at 680/650 on stock bottom end with no issues, i dont race every weekend, but drive my car around town mostly, and drive it how i want.

AGP Turbo · 10-01-2014, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullF-16

AGP TT. Do it right the first time if your eventual goal is more than 800. The system grows with your goals

+1
Almost all the turbo kits we are selling now are to guys who got superchargers because they though xxxhp was enough. Top mount superchargers heat soak when you push them. Leave yourself some room to grow later. For an L99 car the first super easy step is just bolt on a our turbo kit and run 650whp. Then when that feels slow to you, upgrade the trans and turn it up to 800whp. Then when you want to build a motor and go for 1000+whp, you just push a few buttons on the boost controller and make 1000.

RichieSSZ28 · 10-06-2014, 02:40 AM

Lingenfelter has a 650HP package that would fit you for all you need. IT's a little pricey but comes with 3yr 36K mile warranty. It's an over haul. I personally wouldn't go this far until you feel the car needs something to this point but It's getting it all done the right way in the end for me. You can slowly add things as you go like some are suggesting headers, exhaust, axles, clutch and even cam is good as long as it's set up to what you are wanting to do as these items will work with any charger in the future. It also list what they replace to let you know what you may need. I have 20K miles on mine with several of these mods for the 650HP package one day. I'm just not ready to have my stock motor broke down yet. I have had no issues and it runs like a scalded dog!!

RichieSSZ28 · 10-06-2014, 02:43 AM

http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...3-mt-2010-2014

09-28-2014, 03:44 PM	#15
Z1 Dunn Account Suspended Drives: orange ss camaro Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: louisiana Posts: 30	yes pick the right tuner some can make more power than others. I have seen some guys go from 10.90 with the whipple intake and headers then switch tuners and add a cam,meth,lighter wheels and more boost and so on, and only go to about 10.50. s. that's not a big gain for the amount of mods. Last edited by Z1 Dunn; 09-28-2014 at 05:33 PM.

10-01-2014, 11:17 AM	#17
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	AGP turbo kit comes with a huge intercooler, no heak soak. 80lb injectors, no injector issues. Stock 2014 with 1300 miles, still being broke in, 14psi on AGP kit 806rwhp. Installed in a day, super easy. Comes with everything you need. Catchcan, all vacuum lines, fuel system, everything to take a bone stock car to 800+. On an auto car, they consistently see 650-700rwhp. Manuals 750-800rwhp. Can adjust it from 500-800 with turn of a knob. No belt issues, no upgrade HEs, belt systems. No need for cam, headers, or swapping injectors/etc later. Car was limited by fuel pump to 806rwhp, otherwise 900+ would have been easy enough. Plus it is cheaper than any of the options you are looking at. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

10-06-2014, 02:40 AM	#21
RichieSSZ28 Emerald Coast Camaros Drives: 10' 2SS/RS & 14' Sierra Z71 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Jay, FL Posts: 165 View My Garage	Lingenfelter has a 650HP package that would fit you for all you need. IT's a little pricey but comes with 3yr 36K mile warranty. It's an over haul. I personally wouldn't go this far until you feel the car needs something to this point but It's getting it all done the right way in the end for me. You can slowly add things as you go like some are suggesting headers, exhaust, axles, clutch and even cam is good as long as it's set up to what you are wanting to do as these items will work with any charger in the future. It also list what they replace to let you know what you may need. I have 20K miles on mine with several of these mods for the 650HP package one day. I'm just not ready to have my stock motor broke down yet. I have had no issues and it runs like a scalded dog!! __________________ SLP 1-3/4" LT Headers, 3" High flow cats,MGW short throw shifter with Orange SS, Magnaflow 2.5" Street series aggressive full system exhaust with 4" Tips, MGW Short throw shifter, K&N CAI, SLP 160 thermostat, Diablo Sport Tune by SLP, Sinister Street scene Package, Custom Two Tone paint scheme(Pearl black and Inferno Orange) by Owens Customizing, Two tone Engine cover, 22" Gianelle Cuba 10 matte black with ball cut details, Vredestein SUV assanta tires 265/35 and 315/30.

10-06-2014, 02:43 AM	#22
RichieSSZ28 Emerald Coast Camaros Drives: 10' 2SS/RS & 14' Sierra Z71 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Jay, FL Posts: 165 View My Garage	http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...3-mt-2010-2014 __________________ SLP 1-3/4" LT Headers, 3" High flow cats,MGW short throw shifter with Orange SS, Magnaflow 2.5" Street series aggressive full system exhaust with 4" Tips, MGW Short throw shifter, K&N CAI, SLP 160 thermostat, Diablo Sport Tune by SLP, Sinister Street scene Package, Custom Two Tone paint scheme(Pearl black and Inferno Orange) by Owens Customizing, Two tone Engine cover, 22" Gianelle Cuba 10 matte black with ball cut details, Vredestein SUV assanta tires 265/35 and 315/30.

10-01-2014, 10:43 AM	#16
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,354 View My Garage	I have had zero problems with the Eforce for the last 3 1/3 years and 65K. I dynoed 501 RWHP (no headers) the eforce comes with a pretty good CAI so no gains going to a roto fab other than it looks a lot better. I'm all about saving in the long run.. any kit you get will be under injector size for your goal, so if you can get a kit that has 85lb injectors or ID850s or purchase a race kit like the eforce that takes out the injectors you will save.. All the heat exchanger will be inadequate as well so if you can get a kit with out one do that to because it will be wasting money. It can go toward the Afco dual pass or lingenfelters re-branded afco. The fuel pump will be on the boarder line, the ZL1 at that HP work 75% of the time. Most shops will make you go ahead and get a squash or Lingenfelter pump. The aeromotive pumps gets bashed a lot but I thinks its because its a harder install for I keep hearing of pump problems but never actually seen a stock pile of bad pumps. The down side to the old eforce was it seem to soak up heat but it does make low end torque a lot sooner then all. they have done some corrections to the problem but not heard feed back to see if heat soak is still a problem.. BTW they all heat soak I'm now at 617 rwhp with one lower pulley and a BTR cam with CNC LS3 heads by GMHP. thats at 7 psi which I think is pretty efficient cause boost is so low. I saw 12psi for a ECS Or ESC vortec basically made 647 rwhp thats real close to lifting a head though unless you change to studs.

10-01-2014, 02:21 PM	#19
camarossdusk whippled 5th gen Drives: 2013 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: West Texas Posts: 442 View My Garage	With the whipple kit, should be ok with supplied injectors, i upgraded to zl1 pump, adm fpcm, running at 680/650 on stock bottom end with no issues, i dont race every weekend, but drive my car around town mostly, and drive it how i want.