Tuned hellcat 705whp

[96MrBass]

[QUOTE=newmoon;8304854]Well if 10:40s are the goal you could always buy a ZL1 and only have to add: cam, remove your supercharger and ship it for porting and to machine on a smaller diameter pulley, LT headers, CAI, Hi-Flo Cats, heat exchanger, injectors, boost-a-pump, aftermarket rims/tires, tuner and finally a dyno tune.

I think I'd rather change out a drive-shaft

I believe you are basing this on every hellcat running 10's with just dr's if that's the case than you should also start with a ZL1's best potential also. You are talking about taking a almost 70k car and having to do something to it I thought it's supposed to run 11.2 all day on ( street tires) according to the builder's of the car.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

keep flogging that chart that's all you have just charts LOL

Never let facts get in the way of a good story right?

Originally Posted by macwest

If the fiasco on the sales is bad wait till you have to deal with their service. I have and it bites.

Would not say that but on my challenger dodge has done everything to try to get any warranty work to be not covered while on my Camaro GM has done everything possible to cover something that may not be covered.

Customer service also among the worst in the business, year after year after year.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Your warranty would be gone. Should you decide to sell in the future you would not only loose all of your mod money, you would also loose value for the car compared to if you had left it stock.

Curious how do you come up with this extra cash, given the mods required on the ZL1 to reach a safe 670-rwhp build? Remember your warranty is gone you better not skimp.

It's much easier to start with 670-rwhp, and just add lightweight wheels and DRs IMO.

Are we talking easy or cheap? If we're talking easy, I could buy a 911 Turbo S and run 10.5 @ 130mph on street tires while blindfolded, sitting on my hands over,and over, and over again.



If we're talking cheap, I wouldn't even start with a ZL1. Take a 1LE, Scatpack, Mustang GT and make a 10s car for cheap. I'm less concerned about voiding a warranty on a Chevrolet given the best in class reliability (see post #51).

Besides this thread is about a tuned Hellcat. You think FCA is going to honor that?

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by rocket403

keep flogging that chart that's all you have just charts LOL

So a buyer shouldn't do any kind of research when spending tens of thousands of hard earned dollar's?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Your warranty would be gone. Should you decide to sell in the future you would not only loose all of your mod money, you would also loose value for the car compared to if you had left it stock.

Curious how do you come up with this extra cash, given the mods required on the ZL1 to reach a safe 670-rwhp build? Remember your warranty is gone you better not skimp.

It's much easier to start with 670-rwhp, and just add lightweight wheels and DRs IMO.

You might want to pull the warranty book out of the glove box and read it before you slap on those DRs and head to the strip. Dodge will not even cover the design and manufacturing defects exposed by racing. Hopefully it's only the drive shaft that lets go. Link at bottom to the attached

Dodge guy I met the last time I went was shocked that my car is covered for that type of abuse. Said his dealer checks the wheel wells for rubber so they can void the warranty.

http://www.dodge.com/en/warranty/download.html

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

So a buyer shouldn't do any kind of research when spending tens of thousands of hard earned dollar's?

Do all the research you want, pick the car that you feel matches needs and wants. My comment was how Medisin has 3 charts that he keeps pulling out showing how Dodge is on the bottom, well that's all he has.
Go to any forum and there will be people that will have complaints, others that will say they have had no issues, or any issues they have had were taken care of by GM, Ford and Dodge. Guy on this site had his clutch go with 10k on the car GM dropped his warranty (abuse) looked at his tires and said he was racing

[macwest]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Curious how do you come up with this extra cash, given the mods required on the ZL1 to reach a safe 670-rwhp build? Remember your warranty is gone you better not skimp.

At least in cali no hellcat is going for less then 80K. The more realistic price is 90K given the mark up you can do 20K in Zl1 mods and still be 20K under a hellcat price. In northern cali most dealers even If you have done mods will try to find a way to get the issue covered.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Do all the research you want, pick the car that you feel matches needs and wants. My comment was how Medisin has 3 charts that he keeps pulling out showing how Dodge is on the bottom, well that's all he has.
Go to any forum and there will be people that will have complaints, others that will say they have had no issues, or any issues they have had were taken care of by GM, Ford and Dodge. Guy on this site had his clutch go with 10k on the car GM dropped his warranty (abuse) looked at his tires and said he was racing

As much as I usually do not agree with medisin he is correct to state dodge service bite. I have direct experience with it and have yet to see any service from dodge that comes remotely close to GM service.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Do all the research you want, pick the car that you feel matches needs and wants. My comment was how Medisin has 3 charts that he keeps pulling out showing how Dodge is on the bottom, well that's all he has.
Go to any forum and there will be people that will have complaints, others that will say they have had no issues, or any issues they have had were taken care of by GM, Ford and Dodge. Guy on this site had his clutch go with 10k on the car GM dropped his warranty (abuse) looked at his tires and said he was racing

The clutch and tires are wear items. They won't cover the expense of excessive fuel usage during racing or brake pads at a HPDE either.

Like you said. Pick the car you like and believe will give the best ownership experience. I knowingly bought the slowest of the group that comes with the best reliability and warranty protection. My driveline won't break after hundreds of launches but if it did, I could tow it to the dealer with white letters on the windows and rubber in the wells and they'd fix it. Once the warranty is up, she will hold up to 700 whp without issues. Plus, I bought it a year ago for $51k and 0% financing!

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

My comment was how Medisin has 3 charts that he keeps pulling out showing how Dodge is on the bottom, well that's all he has.

All I need are the facts. Not your misguided opinion. The fact is Dodge consistently ranks among the worst in the industry in dependability year, after year, after year. They also rank among the worst in service alongside their corporate cousins Jeep and Ram.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Go to any forum and there will be people that will have complaints, others that will say they have had no issues, or any issues they have had were taken care of by GM, Ford and Dodge.

ANECDOTAL experience. The FACT is, Dodge experiences far more problems than the industry average. Every reliability index on Earth shows this.

I haven't owned a modern Dodge so I can't speak to what dealers will or won't cover from tracking, drag strip, general abuse. I've never had pushback from Porsche, Chevrolet or Cadillac when I've put cars on the track. Heck, Cadillac dealer even flushed, bled and refilled the brake lines with Motul 600 before taking it to VIR (I provided the Motul), all free of charge alongside my regular free maintenance.

[McBeevee]

First off, I just want to state for the record that I absolutely love the Challenger....especially the Hellcat.
That being said, I'm gonna just leave this here......
Five worst auto brands for service under one roof

[rocket403]

Maybe the dealers in Canada have a better grasp of keeping the customer happy, I have not had any issues with customer service and Dodge. As far as FCA goes it is the number 2 seller in Canada and last month Just topped Ford in sales, GM was a distant 3rd.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0W51PG20150303

[Denis]

Originally Posted by Denis

I haven't seen a single Z06....still looking.

Saw my first one today...good lord

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You might want to pull the warranty book out of the glove box and read it before you slap on those DRs and head to the strip. Dodge will not even cover the design and manufacturing defects exposed by racing. Hopefully it's only the drive shaft that lets go. Link at bottom to the attached

Dodge guy I met the last time I went was shocked that my car is covered for that type of abuse. Said his dealer checks the wheel wells for rubber so they can void the warranty.

http://www.dodge.com/en/warranty/download.html

I don't know exactly how it works with Dodge but with GM and Ford, racing means to race another in competition. I.E. racing event for cash or prizes or trophy ect. A test and tune does not void the warranty and if a dealer tried to say otherwise you would just get the mfg involved. Test and tune is no different than what the mfg does or any car reviewers do. Your just seeing what the car can do and using it for its intended purpose. Abuse would be something else like going beyond its limitations or messing up with driving. I'm sure Dodge is no different on the subject but I guess its possible. In fact after they got a NHRA certified time with DR's to show what the car can do I would have a serious issue with Dodge voiding a warranty for a test and tune session with drag radials. Another thing to remember is that a dealer and the mfg are separate. Some dealers will look for any excuse to deny warranty repair because they don't make as much money on a warranty claim.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Maybe the dealers in Canada have a better grasp of keeping the customer happy, I have not had any issues with customer service and Dodge. As far as FCA goes it is the number 2 seller in Canada and last month Just topped Ford in sales, GM was a distant 3rd.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0W51PG20150303

Again, anecdotal experience does not reflect the true mean. FCA sales are up thanks to Jeep which makes sense in that arctic tundra you call home. Dodge was outsold by Ford, Toyota, Honda, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Nissan and Ram in Canada last year.
Dodge was outsold by Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Jeep, GMC, Subaru and Ram in the U.S. last year. Yes, Dodge outsold by Subaru on its own turf.

[rocket403]

You have no clue, Sorry we just live in igloos here I have to put studded tires on the Challenger to get around.

So far this year Charger, 300 sales have outsold Impala (4-3 to 1) and Lacrosse (10-1 ) Canadian
Challenger over Camaro 2-1

for 2015
FCA has a 18% market
Ford 15%
GM 12%

Fiat 500 outsold Mustang, Camaro and Challenger