Mustangs................

[WYD OPN]

Wow! Ten pages of...? Entertaining at times, though.

Beyond opinion, preference, and brand loyalty, the bottom line is simple:
We're gonna have Camaros AND Mustangs with 300+hp V6s, 400+hp V8s, and ~550hp SC V8s. In addition there are several Mopar V8s in the mix. Incredible cars, ALL!

We should all be kissing the asphalt while we can still actually buy this stuff. Let's enjoy this modern performance age while it lasts. The domestic auto market is serving up the best helping of go-fast stuff EVER! Get 'em while they're hot, I say.

[rodimus prime]

Labor for installing sway bars and springs isnt going to be much at all. A monkey could do it in his driveway.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Labor for installing sway bars and springs isnt going to be much at all. A monkey could do it in his driveway.

Did you say monkey?

[Xmicro_SS]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Which is why a ton of teenagers end up driving...

That is nicer than my mom's green Chevy Vega.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

The problem I have here is that your argument is just too generic. Why is that extra power going to necessitate a weight increase? Let's start with the V6 model.

First, we'll deal with the chassis. Across the lineup the current Mustang chassis is the same piece no matter the car, which means that the same unibody that handles 510lb-ft of torque in the GT500 is the same chassis you get when you buy a base V6 model. Obviously, the chassis wont need upgrades for the new V6 or even the 5.0L powered GT as it is already sufficient to handle a 540hp, 510lb-ft of torque monster.

If we throw suspension into the mix the first thing we have to consider is that the 3.7L engine itself actually weighs much less than does the 4.0L Cologne-built currently in use. The 3.7L is physically much smaller, especially in terms of the engine block as the Cologne unit has massive bore spacing and is extremely long for a V6. Further consider that the 3.7L uses an aluminum block where the Cologne uses a cast iron piece, and the difference in weight only increases. Just the difference between the the bare engine blocks is nearly 100lb. So, we know the V6 suspension wont need to be beefed up to handle greater weight, in fact spring rates will absolutely have to go down up front.

That leaves the drive-line. While many seem to think that the V6 drive-line components will need to be made from far bulkier, heavier pieces to handle the added power output nothing could be further from the truth.

For example, if Ford decided to ditch the V6 models existing 7.5 inch rear for the GT models 8.8 inch unit the difference in weight would be right at 20lb

As for transmissions, if Ford decided to employ the TR6060 employed in cars like the GT500, which would be overkill to say the lest, in place of the T5 unit the V6 model currently uses the difference would be around 40lb dry.

If Ford switched over to the brakes used on the current GT model for 2011 V6 Mustang duty you would be hard pressed to notice any difference in weight, to be generous I'll call the weight gain fro the entire system 10lb.

And since the drive-shaft used in the current Mustang GT weighs about 40lb ,and is considered a bit on the heavy side for an engine rated where the 4.6L currently is, it would be difficult to imagine the V6 model using a drive-shaft which actually weighs more than the unit in the GT. Heck, lets say the V6 unit somehow weighs half as much as the current GT piece does (it doesn't) which means I'm factoring in a possible weight gain of 20lb which is giving your argument a whole lot of leeway.

Throw in one other item the base V6 current leaves off like a standard rear sway bar (I'm giving you 5lb on this one) and were done.

Altogether the above listed weight gains, all of which are genuine worst case scenarios seriously overestimating what will actually occur more often than nor, would account for a weight gain of roughly 95lb. That number just manages to offset the difference in the weight savings that the bare engine block brings to the table. Keep in mind that the intake manifold, heads, crankshaft, etc all weigh less on the 3.7L as well since the engine block is significantly shorter than the extremely long 4.0L unit it.

The only way the base V6 model wont lose weight is a scenario where Ford seriously upgrades base V6 model content.

Guess I stand corrected but I guess we will all have to wait and see.

[a_Username]

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[Mindz]

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[Revo1]

[Oldrocker]

I like this one of the Cobra

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by meanmike

What was there to catch up too? Oh you mean those imaginary car's you were all driving. Dont be jealous just because you did'nt have a car for 8 year's. And wether some of you like it or not there has alway's been the Cobra to get the job done. I know, I know the Cobra does'nt compete with the SS right it just spank's there little bottom.

The 03-04 cobra was the only mustang in like the last 150 years to beat a z28/ss....and there wasnt even any competetion from the General at that time. They are probably still my favorite mustangs, as the new gens look flat out stupid and I only see old ladies driving them. I would take an terminator over a 2010 ect any day.


Oh, I forgot the Bullits in 2000s could run stock for stock with ls1s. Those were kinda cool.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

The 03-04 cobra was the only mustang in like the last 150 years to beat a z28/ss....and there wasnt even any competetion from the General at that time. They are probably still my favorite mustangs, as the new gens look flat out stupid and I only see old ladies driving them. I would take an terminator over a 2010 ect any day.


Oh, I forgot the Bullits in 2000s could run stock for stock with ls1s. Those were kinda cool.

First off I want to point out that Rodimus like's Mustang's. Lol
You must be board driving that barbie mobile around huh? I'm going to be honest I dont know alot about some of the older gen mustang's(80ish-90ish) So I cant argue with you on that. On a side note though you do like MUSTANG'S and Ive got the proof.

[rodimus prime]

Not only that, I happen to think an 03-04 cobra is probably the best bang for the buck performance car in the past couple decades. Then the 02 z06 would probably be my other choice if I could swing a 2 seater.

FYI most of my family sold fords, and some still do.

[meanmike]

I was thinking about getting a C6 Z06 but I could'nt find one in the price range that I wanted so I am going to wait a couple more year's who know's I might buy myself a 02 Camaro ss or Firebird ws6. Actually I have to say that if I was more confident with a manual I would probably be driving that Z06 but I'm just afraid since I'm not that use to them with all that power I would probably ruin the car.

[chevys]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

The 03-04 cobra was the only mustang in like the last 150 years to beat a z28/ss....and there wasnt even any competetion from the General at that time. They are probably still my favorite mustangs, as the new gens look flat out stupid and I only see old ladies driving them. I would take an terminator over a 2010 ect any day.


Oh, I forgot the Bullits in 2000s could run stock for stock with ls1s. Those were kinda cool.

The 03-04 Mach 1's would go head to head with the LS1 cars. Mach was a bit better out of the hole and lighter. The LS1 cars were stronger on the big end. Basically, it was a drivers race stock to stock.

The Cobras from that time have a ton of potential with little money spent and they will always a performance bargain.

If I remember correctly there little if any difference power wise in the Z or SS. That was a nice marketing gimick and they were all under rated if memory serves me. I seem to remember the C5 owners not liking it too much when the Z would lay down the same numbers but could not show it on paper. The Mach 1 was also under rated by Ford. They I think were scared from the 99 Cobra fiasco.