PLEASE NEED HONEST OPINION CAMARO VS MUSTANG

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Can you direct me to the GT500 and GS VIR lap times.

2011 Ford GT500 bests 2010 V.I.R. lap time by 9 seconds

"To give a little context to the time… when referencing the best lap times ever recorded on FastestLaps.com, the 2011 Shelby GT500 is in some fairly elite company, and would place directly between the 10th ranked Chevrolet Corvette Z06 with 2:58.2 and the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 at 2:58.8 seconds. No offense to Gene Martindale, Ford’s vehicle dynamics engineer, but looking at the video it looks as if there might be a little more time to be shaved even still.

Regardless, with the time recorded the 2011 shelby GT500 Mustang beats some fairly elite company with far larger pricetags, such as the Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI, the Ford GT supercar, Dodge Viper SRT-10 and the Porsche 997 GT3 – to name a few."

[JusticePete]

Dan, thanks for the chart and link. I wish they would record the driver's name. I like to see runs by the same driver in the cars being compared. The driver is generally the biggest variable followed by temperature and the condition of the track. Running on a virgin track, rain washing out the rubber that seasons the track, makes a huge difference. On a track like VIR a virgin track vs a seasoned track could easily be a couple of seconds or more. There is no doubt that the 11 GT500 is a very fast car. Thanks again for the information.

[BigDan]

Anything for a fellow C5 member

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Anything for a fellow C5 member

I really do enjoy Camaro5. Please plan on being at CamaroFEST III. Time for a beer!

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by 2010SLVRBULIT

on the road, you will not get noticed...mustangs = meh

I'm more apt to notice a GT500 Mustang than any version of the new Camaro. Maybe when the ZL1's hit the streets that will change.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by NicolasKL

Slicks make HP when you're not able to go full throttle due to traction.

And 11.11 @ 124 is actually the fastest IIRC, different guy than the 11.36.

MPH is a measure of the horsepower you are making at the tire, weight of the vehicle and gearing. Considering his raceweight is close to 4k, driver and fuel and the car is stock, he would need about 500rwhp to reach that mph regardless of a dead hook or not. I don`t think those GT500 are putting down that much rwhp stock. Slight spinning at the line would actually cause mph to go up slightly, although hurt et as you are in essense shortening the track. Of course a lot of wheelspin will hurt et and mph. The exception seems to be automatic cars w/ big stalls they tend to mph better w/ a dead hook. The stall is allowing the slipping to occur in the trans till it gets to its desired rpm or stall speed.

Another example is I make 536rwhp, car raceweight just under 4k, has a mph of 125 w/ a dead hook. It takes about 10rwhp to get 1mph in the 1/4. So do the math, 125mph-2= 123mph. Thats 20rwhp he has less than me, if the weight is close and i beleive it is. That puts him at 516rwhp all things being equal. Regardless, I see no way a bonestock GT-500 ran that time mph wise. Again unless the GT500 he has put down 500rwhp. Homey may have had a pulley and a tune, or at the very least an really good tune in addition to the slicks. I ran a good freind w/ a GT-500 w/ my Vette when we were both stock and he just had drag radials, He ran an 11.9@118 and I ran 11.8@118. We ran all day and that was the best pass for both of us and we had Mineshaft air.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Its stock besides the wheels and tires. MM&FF has gotten similar mph's from their "hero" runs.

If its the same guy then his "hero run" is an 11.11@124. He is now no longer stock powered since adding a pulley and is now running 10.8@126

10.8 @ 126 mph Stock, it's really amazing how a set of wheels and slicks can gain you 10-mph in the 1/4.

I stand by my statement when I raced a intake and exhaust only GT500 in the 1/8th he barely managed 8:60s @ 89 mph. He knows how to drive as well. My near stock SS has run a better e/t and nearly the same mph hopping through 1st gear, his was a 08/09 model though.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by BigDan

2011 Ford GT500 bests 2010 V.I.R. lap time by 9 seconds

"To give a little context to the time… when referencing the best lap times ever recorded on FastestLaps.com, the 2011 Shelby GT500 is in some fairly elite company, and would place directly between the 10th ranked Chevrolet Corvette Z06 with 2:58.2 and the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 at 2:58.8 seconds. No offense to Gene Martindale, Ford’s vehicle dynamics engineer, but looking at the video it looks as if there might be a little more time to be shaved even still.

Regardless, with the time recorded the 2011 shelby GT500 Mustang beats some fairly elite company with far larger pricetags, such as the Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI, the Ford GT supercar, Dodge Viper SRT-10 and the Porsche 997 GT3 – to name a few."

Beat my z51 equiped Vette by almost 3 seconds when it was stock.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Beat my z51 equiped Vette by almost 3 seconds when it was stock.

That is exactly why I bought it, it can do so many things well like tear up Porches on the road course, beat up on old muscle at the strip, and is good for 800hp before you have to look into supporting mods and all for $49k msrp. No other new car can do so much for so little.

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

he would need about 500rwhp to reach that mph regardless of a dead hook or not.

I don`t think those GT500 are putting down that much rwhp stock. That puts him at 516rwhp all things being equal.

Regardless, I see no way a bonestock GT-500 ran that time mph wise. Again unless the GT500 he has put down 500rwhp.

Most 2011+ GT500's are putting down 500whp+ they are all over youtube if you search.

Mine made 521whp stock during a dyno day right after another 2011 GT500 made 522whp and a 2011 GT that made 365whp.

The 2011 GT500 is a completely different car then the previous years. Aside from the normal things you hear about it, it has new cams which people are saying are the Ford GT cams which makes sense since its now making peak power at redline. It has dual knock sensors so the computer can adjust the timing accordingly and get the maximum power allowed from the fuel you put in the tank. 40% larger heat exchanger, 3.73's on the PP model like the poster, factory fuel "boost a pump" for steady flow of fuel, and with a race weight of 3,660lbs. There is even more things that can contribute to the 2011's ET improvement.

Like I said before these are similar mph's to what MM&FF get's when they test GT500's at the strip.

[oldlugs]

Originally Posted by sixty4

Thinking about pulling the trigger. My problem is a friend owns a 2ss and says its kind of boring? I drove it not all that bad. Says the performance is just not there? If he had to do it again said he would go with a Mustang.
So my problem is a Camaro SS or a Mustang GT? Honest opinions please!

NOT trying to start WWIII. Just if given a choice would you purchase a Camaro agian?

Honestly, go drive both and see which you prefer. Most people who own one or the other will be biased toward the one they bought, probably to justify their choice to themselves. I think that a true enthusiast can appreciate the good/bad of any car, and enjoy them for what they are and are not. Drive both, make your choice. I like Camaros and Challengers (and LOTS of other toys), but chose Mustangs. I have two; an '08 Bullitt, and '09 GT500KR. If I had more space (and money), I'd probably have 500 cars. I'm not Leno.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by BigDan

That is exactly why I bought it, it can do so many things well like tear up Porches on the road course, beat up on old muscle at the strip, and is good for 800hp before you have to look into supporting mods and all for $49k msrp. No other new car can do so much for so little.




Most 2011+ GT500's are putting down 500whp+ they are all over youtube if you search.

Mine made 521whp stock during a dyno day right after another 2011 GT500 made 522whp and a 2011 GT that made 365whp.

The 2011 GT500 is a completely different car then the previous years. Aside from the normal things you hear about it, it has new cams which people are saying are the Ford GT cams which makes sense since its now making peak power at redline. It has dual knock sensors so the computer can adjust the timing accordingly and get the maximum power allowed from the fuel you put in the tank. 40% larger heat exchanger, 3.73's on the PP model like the poster, factory fuel "boost a pump" for steady flow of fuel, and with a race weight of 3,660lbs. There is even more things that can contribute to the 2011's ET improvement.

Like I said before these are similar mph's to what MM&FF get's when they test GT500's at the strip.

Gotcha, I see why we were miscomunicating, in an earlier post farther up the page here I said 2010 and earlier GT-500`s were not putting down those kind of times and did not have enough rwhp to do that kind of mph. yes, the 2011 is a different car completely, and I have no doubt 1 of the 2011`s could do that..

[Switchin2Chevy]

Having driven and love both. I think as far as the Camaro goes, it's got the Mustang beat as far as style. Power could go either way, and honestly the opinion will vary depending on who you ask. Even the "experts" will say that one is better than the other in some regard. Just my opinion, I think it all boils down to what you want to drive and how you wanna drive it..! Happy hunting..

[Shu71]

My wife and I own a Mustang and a Camaro. Before I bought my Camaro, I test drove both cars and abused them. I wrote a pretty long comparison a while back. Here is the short. You get more options for the same dollars on the Mustang. On the street straighline performance and the stock GT felt a tick quicker but honestly with the way the Camaro hooked up with it's meatier tires I think any race between the two would be a drivers race and not the car. What may seem boring to your buddy is that the Camaro is very easy to launch hard and keep controlled whereas the Stang tends to need to be tippytoed a little out of the hole (on regular street roads). I personally liked the seats and interior in the Camaro and the way you sit down in the Camaro more. The exhaust on the GT was far more impressive. GM should be ashamed of the stock exhaust on the Camaro as it has no muscle car tone at all and they bragged about how much effort they put into the tone of the exhaust, apparently they needed a little more time around the old muscle cars again. Exterior styling and the Camaro is a clear winner. Handling and I thought that I could push the Camaro harder and faster though some pretty tough twisties on not so great road surfaces. Again this is partially due to the width of the tires and the compounds. Ride quality, I liked the Camaro more. Find a local dealer that will let you really test drive the bejesus out of both and then pick the one you like best. Although they are similar, they have different feels behind the wheel.

[OrangeVert]

Originally Posted by NicolasKL

I've honestly never seen a head to head review that the Camaro won. Are there any?

Fwiw, my experience if you're looking for a '68 - '72 SS Chevy convertible looks and power+ reborn. I was, and found it. If it's other things you're after, the Camaro may or may not win.

Originally Posted by Switchin2Chevy

Having driven and love both. I think as far as the Camaro goes, it's got the Mustang beat as far as style. Power could go either way, and honestly the opinion will vary depending on who you ask. Even the "experts" will say that one is better than the other in some regard. Just my opinion, I think it all boils down to what you want to drive and how you wanna drive it..! Happy hunting..

Yup. Drove a friend's Cobra last year and was impressed by the exhaust and power. But it didn't come with an SS badge, and wasn't a GM. And I wanted my rusted out '71 Chevelle 307 convertible again - but brand new, orange, AND the SS 396 or 454 I didn't have before - but did see in the old brochure that came with the car (guy and girl with gold SS Chevelle and black stripes in a field), so Camaro won. That and I couldn't see parting with an extra $10 to $15 grand for the snake.