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GretchenGotGrowl · 01-23-2015, 04:44 PM

You can't just look at the upside of a good track number begin published by a manufacturer. The downside is that if the buyers aren't as good a driver as Randy Probst (or similar), then they will never achieve those times. Then all the gripping and complaining starts...bad press! Letting third-parties publish numbers take the manufacturer out of the equation.

shaffe · 01-23-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Well, they may not have official manufacture times, but they are on the list via third party, which is probably how they want it...where's Ford's unofficial times?

Look, i'm by no means an expert on any racing or even any car for that matter....but I find it interesting that they don't want to enter the Debate when they are extremely happy about the results. And if for some reason they are taking a principled stance against using the ring for marketing...well I find that very interesting too.

Well the other cars on the list I mentioned were almost all done by a German magazine, and are European cars, mostly German ones... My guess is Ford isn't handing out cars to German magazines to do road tests and track it on German race tracks.

It really is only GM, Nissan and Porsche that like to advertise the ring times.

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You can't just look at the upside of a good track number begin published by a manufacturer. The downside is that if the buyers aren't as good a driver as Randy Probst (or similar), then they will never achieve those times. Then all the gripping and complaining starts...bad press! Letting third-parties publish numbers take the manufacturer out of the equation.

This too. Also I really don't get why people care so much about lap times from a track on the other side of the planet lol.

The only time I will be interested to see is Randy Probst taking it around Laguna Seca

christianmotox · 01-23-2015, 04:47 PM

Ford doesn't publish their times because they are not as good as their competitors plain and simple.
Remember how they bragged about the 0-60 time on the new GT500? why? because it was better than the competitors, Period.

Really, really think about it. What marketing department wouldn't want to publish times if they where better than their direct competitors? some one would get fired if they didn't publish them...
The sole reason why this companies invest millions and millions of dollars in Marketing is to get the edge over its competitors...

Being a car guy, i really have a lot of respect for the GT350 and im sure it will be a strong performer. but common lets not try and make excuses for why they don't publish times. If GM didn't publish times i would say the same thing about them.

shaffe · 01-23-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by christianmotox

Ford doesn't publish their times because they are not as good as their competitors plain and simple.
Remember how they bragged about the 0-60 time on the new GT500? why? because it was better than the competitors, Period.

Really, really think about it. What marketing department wouldn't want to publish times if they where better than their direct competitors? some one would get fired if they didn't publish them...
The sole reason why this companies invest millions and millions of dollars in Marketing is to get the edge over its competitors...

Being a car guy, i really have a lot of respect for the GT350 and im sure it will be a strong performer. but common lets not try and make excuses for why they don't publish times. If GM didn't publish times i would say the same thing about them.

So Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, Mercedes, Audi all must have performance cars that are slower than their competition because they don't have official ring times too right? Or maybe some companies just don't value lap times as a marketing tool.

GM, Nissan and Porsche are really the only ones who release official lap times from the ring

DenverTaco07 · 01-23-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

So Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, Mercedes, Audi all must have performance cars that are slower than their competition because they don't have official ring times too right? Or maybe some companies just don't value lap times as a marketing tool.

GM, Nissan and Porsche are really the only ones who release official lap times from the ring

no...all of those cars have times on Nurburgring. The fact that it wasn't an official run by the manufacturer event does not mean it wasn't coordinated by the manufacturer. Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Merc, Audi all have posted good times on the ring.

Look, this is Ford's baddest flagship TRACK Mustang OF ALL TIME and they aren't going to post the most recognized industry / enthusiast TRACK time....pathetic.

christianmotox · 01-23-2015, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

So Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, Mercedes, Audi all must have performance cars that are slower than their competition because they don't have official ring times too right? Or maybe some companies just don't value lap times as a marketing tool.

GM, Nissan and Porsche are really the only ones who release official lap times from the ring

Exacly!!!! if their times are slower than the competitor why release them..... Plus, youre trying to compare 100+k cars vs 50 k cars...

shaffe · 01-23-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

no...all of those cars have times on Nurburgring. The fact that it wasn't an official ran by the manufacturer event does not mean it wasn't coordinated by the manufacturer. Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Merc, Audi all have posted good times on the ring.

My response was to Christian talking about the marketing department, which may or may not use a magazine data.

All i am saying is you guys want to say bc Ford isn't releasing the time it MUST be slower, when in the past Ford has never released lap times why expect them to now?

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-23-2015, 05:08 PM

There are published times for the GT500 on the Nordschleife, they just didn't come from Ford.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mus...gt500_659.html

And, then the pissing, moaning and accusations of fudging start.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/s...urgring-video/

See how the accusation is GM falsified something, but the "third party" is okay basing their time off a video clip???

SpeedIsLife · 01-23-2015, 05:09 PM

This is exactly what would happen:

Ford caves in to pressure and releases GT350R time that is better than Z/28 (hypothetically)

"Big deal it beat a last gen platform on its way out"
"Yeah but I bet it wasn't stock"

Stuff like that.

It's a lose/lose for Ford to release times and all it will do is muddy the waters.

shaffe · 01-23-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by christianmotox

Exacly!!!! if their times are slower than the competitor why release them..... Plus, youre trying to compare 100+k cars vs 50 k cars...

Well if were getting nit picky like that

ZL1 is the only one possibly in the discussion under 75K
Z/28 is 75K
Z06 W/ Z07 was around 90K wasnt it? (no new Z06/Z07 time yet IIRC)
ZR1 was over 100K

Viper is over 100K
GTR is over 100K

Most expect the GT350R to be around 70K+ so where exactly is the problem with the 100K cars I listed? Ferrari and Lambo I get lol those are well over 200K in most cases lol

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

There are published times for the GT500 on the Nordschleife, they just didn't come from Ford.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mus...gt500_659.html

And, then the pissing, moaning and accusations of fudging start.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/s...urgring-video/

See how the accusation is GM falsified something, but the "third party" is okay basing their time off a video clip???

Thank you gretchen, this is why ring times IMO are not the best marketing tool. IIRC hasn't Nissan been accused of of something as well for the GTR times

DenverTaco07 · 01-23-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

when in the past Ford has never released lap times why expect them to now?

Because this is their bad A$$ marketed as a freaking monster freaking bad MOFO Track car...that's why.

hotlap · 01-23-2015, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

This too. Also I really don't get why people care so much about lap times from a track on the other side of the planet lol.

My friends in Germany were impressed as hell when I showed them the ZL1's Ring time. Show them a 1/4 mile time and their eyes glaze over.

IMO, Chevy uses the Nurburgring to show the world it builds balanced cars. Not old fashion Meatships.

SpeedIsLife · 01-23-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

My friends in Germany were impressed as hell when I showed them the ZL1's Ring time. Show them a 1/4 mile time and their eyes glaze over.

IMO, Chevy uses the Nurburgring to show the world it builds balanced cars. Not old fashion Meatships.

Yeah and the Camaro has sold so well in Europe because of it.

hotlap · 01-23-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Yeah and the Camaro has sold so well in Europe because of it.

Saying that its a track all... the way over on the other side of the world is small thinking. That Ring is a measuring stick that people understand as well as you do 1/4 ET's

01-23-2015, 04:44 PM	#15
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,127 View My Garage	You can't just look at the upside of a good track number begin published by a manufacturer. The downside is that if the buyers aren't as good a driver as Randy Probst (or similar), then they will never achieve those times. Then all the gripping and complaining starts...bad press! Letting third-parties publish numbers take the manufacturer out of the equation. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

01-23-2015, 04:47 PM	#17
christianmotox Drives: ( . )( . ) Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,827	Ford doesn't publish their times because they are not as good as their competitors plain and simple. Remember how they bragged about the 0-60 time on the new GT500? why? because it was better than the competitors, Period. Really, really think about it. What marketing department wouldn't want to publish times if they where better than their direct competitors? some one would get fired if they didn't publish them... The sole reason why this companies invest millions and millions of dollars in Marketing is to get the edge over its competitors... Being a car guy, i really have a lot of respect for the GT350 and im sure it will be a strong performer. but common lets not try and make excuses for why they don't publish times. If GM didn't publish times i would say the same thing about them. __________________

01-23-2015, 05:08 PM	#22
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,127 View My Garage	There are published times for the GT500 on the Nordschleife, they just didn't come from Ford. http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mus...gt500_659.html And, then the pissing, moaning and accusations of fudging start. http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/s...urgring-video/ See how the accusation is GM falsified something, but the "third party" is okay basing their time off a video clip??? __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

01-23-2015, 05:09 PM	#23
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,241	This is exactly what would happen: Ford caves in to pressure and releases GT350R time that is better than Z/28 (hypothetically) "Big deal it beat a last gen platform on its way out" "Yeah but I bet it wasn't stock" Stuff like that. It's a lose/lose for Ford to release times and all it will do is muddy the waters.