GM mistakes

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by SoonerCamaro

was watching fox news just now and the UAW that build gm cars make 150 dollars an hour with benefits and everything!!! Most of these people just have high school degrees! I love GM and all but thats rediculous! GM got themselves into all this mess with all this, its no wonder all these companies go out the country to build vehicles! Mayb instead of laying off its employees decrease their rediculous pay just like American Airlines did to quit from laying off employess! i would rather make some money than no money...sorry for ranting just venting about these huge companys with their rediculous spending.

I see the problem, you got the info from fox (faux) news. Fox is a corporate propaganda channel, you keep watching that filth, you'll go blind and grow hair on your palms.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by dbotsfordtat

I see the problem, you got the info from fox (faux) news. Fox is a corporate propaganda channel, you keep watching that filth, you'll go blind and grow hair on your palms.

Fox Haters

Go FOX!

On the other hand if you watch MSNBC, you get a feeling up your leg everytime you see Obama on TV!

[PQ]

The name of this thread is GM Mistakes. It wasn't a mistake that GM made in paying these ridiculous labor costs. (Salaries, benies, and VEBA) They were held hostage to have to pay them. That's not their fault.

There are mistakes that GM made. But being extorted from by the union isn't one of them. Read about the Andolushia AL steel mill in the past. It's either close the doors or give in to a union. The steel mill closed the doors. 550 morons who were allready making more than anyone else in the area, out of work.

But how about GM doing things like building GMC Sierra I think, and a Silverado and basicaly competing against themselves. I mean how much sense does that make.

What if I bought the office space down the street from me, and named it something different and opened up shop doing the same thing. Hey I have two business two seperate sets of overhead costs; Advertising, utilities, labor, etc. and half the clients. What kind of moron am I now?

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by irpq11

The name of this thread is GM Mistakes. It wasn't a mistake that GM made in paying these ridiculous labor costs. (Salaries, benies, and VEBA) They were held hostage to have to pay them. That's not their fault.

There are mistakes that GM made. But being extorted from by the union isn't one of them. Read about the Andolushia AL steel mill in the past. It's either close the doors or give in to a union. The steel mill closed the doors. 550 morons who were allready making more than anyone else in the area, out of work.

But how about GM doing things like building GMC Sierra I think, and a Silverado and basicaly competing against themselves. I mean how much sense does that make.

What if I bought the office space down the street from me, and named it something different and opened up shop doing the same thing. Hey I have two business two seperate sets of overhead costs; Advertising, utilities, labor, etc. and half the clients. What kind of moron am I now?

This guy makes a lot of sense.. However I still want a rebadged Camaro called a Firebird in four years time once the Camaro fever and sales dip down. Then you cut production of the Camaro accordingly in about half and create the Firebird in the same plant. That would be smart business at that point in time and keep the customers and enthusiasts happy. But I do agree with you on the Sierra and Silverado..

[PQ]

Well, considering the news of performance cars on indefinate hold coupled with the Pontiac cuts, I think the Firebird is dead.

GM just spread it's self too thin. Ford if I'm not mistaken, still hasn't asked for any money. Might change but you have to tip your hat to ford.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Well, considering the news of performance cars on indefinate hold coupled with the Pontiac cuts, I think the Firebird is dead.

GM just spread it's self too thin. Ford if I'm not mistaken, still hasn't asked for any money. Might change but you have to tip your hat to ford.

No doubt. Ford has done very well considering. And the new Knight Rider show does pretty well for advertising the Mustang. I hope the new Transformers movie does a good job advertising the Camaro, however I don't like what they did to the Camaro for that movie..

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Supermans

No doubt. Ford has done very well considering. And the new Knight Rider show does pretty well for advertising the Mustang. I hope the new Transformers movie does a good job advertising the Camaro, however I don't like what they did to the Camaro for that movie..

Hope it looks better in the movie than it does in the pics. I think it will.
Too bad it would cost too much in production but a Transformers series for TV would be cool.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Somethings gotto give. Either they take a cut in pay, or GM keeps hacking jobs. (wait, while they are restructuring people are going to get laid off anyways so it comes down to a cut in pay)

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Well, considering the news of performance cars on indefinate hold coupled with the Pontiac cuts, I think the Firebird is dead.

GM just spread it's self too thin. Ford if I'm not mistaken, still hasn't asked for any money. Might change but you have to tip your hat to ford.

You realize, the same thing that is happening to GM happened to ford a few years ago. Luckily for them, it was before the credit crunch, so they were able to get loans, loans that are no longer available to GM. looking back on it, if Ford had done better, they may have held off getting loans for a few more years, and would be right in the same position as GM. If that's not irony, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by camaro_corvette

Somethings gotto give. Either they take a cut in pay, or GM keeps hacking jobs. (wait, while they are restructuring people are going to get laid off anyways so it comes down to a cut in pay)

Wagoner is obviously on $1/year. Other Execs had their pay cut 40%. All salaried workers got their pay cut 3-7%. So yes, they are cutting pay too. They've also been cutting benefits and raising fees on things like company vehicles for the last few years.

[RT21]

Originally Posted by dbotsfordtat

I see the problem, you got the info from fox (faux) news. Fox is a corporate propaganda channel, you keep watching that filth, you'll go blind and grow hair on your palms.

Originally Posted by rmyers

Fox Haters

Go FOX!

On the other hand if you watch MSNBC, you get a feeling up your leg everytime you see Obama on TV!

Way to keep it light folks...or try anyway...

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Wagoner is obviously on $1/year. Other Execs had their pay cut 40%. All salaried workers got their pay cut 3-7%. So yes, they are cutting pay too. They've also been cutting benefits and raising fees on things like company vehicles for the last few years.

Yep, but it's gonna go farther than that...

[RT21]

Originally Posted by irpq11

But how about GM doing things like building GMC Sierra I think, and a Silverado and basicaly competing against themselves. I mean how much sense does that make.

Originally Posted by Supermans

This guy makes a lot of sense.. However I still want a rebadged Camaro called a Firebird in four years time once the Camaro fever and sales dip down.

Both of you are giving examples of different classes of cars. Heirachy....Chevy, Pontiac, Buick, Caddy....they aren't competing...it's just a different class. So, if/when Chevy make the Firebird or Trans Am, it will just be a higher class of the Camaro. Ford and Dodge do the same thang...Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth...etc...

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

Not saying you are wrong, but I have heard more along the lines of 75 bucks an hour:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2135.cfm


I mean keep in mind, this is FOX news we are talking about.

no doubt!

[Muscle Master]

I say another mistake was that GM had to many brands in America, Let see:

Saab
GMC
Chevy
Buick- WTF
Pontiac
Saturn
Cadillac
Hummer

Umm...., 1 luxury brand, one ... searching for the word ... well chevy fits that place anyway, and a brand for trucks, hence GMC

3 or 4 brands should do it