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racerx8 · 11-12-2012, 06:10 PM

Are any gains to be made with the RX ported manifold, wedge and a Vmax TB when added to a 2013 SS 1LE Camaro with ARH long tubes, hi-flo cats and an Air Aid CAI?

litle88 · 11-12-2012, 06:14 PM

Manifold yes
Wedge NO
TB your throttle response will greatly improve

racerx8 · 11-12-2012, 06:29 PM

Thanks little 88. I have a Vmax TB on my '11 CTS and it is a noticable addition so I thought it might help the LS3. Agreed on the wedge though.

Birm · 11-12-2012, 06:41 PM

Little hit it on the head. I will say however that car did feel different on the way home (45min trip). Pulled much harder and it's not placebo for me, it's my dd and I know it in and out. That said I will attribute it more to the manifold which actually showed very reasonable gains for the cost.

Birm · 11-12-2012, 06:48 PM

I personally and 100% honestly would not recommend the wedge. It will be for sale or returned shortly.

The intake manifold ported by Tracy however I would absolutely recommend. Gains were very good when you factor $/hp plus the gains it had produced now on multiple vehicles.

I will write a better review tomorrow after I smooth things over with the misses, day took a little longer then expected as Tracy pointed out lol.

But again too me, well worth the money.

camaro actual · 11-12-2012, 06:56 PM

glad this was finally done

white ZL1 · 11-12-2012, 07:36 PM

I'll just go ahead and throw this out there.....
You didn't drive it for 35 miles to allow the fuel trims to learn, that's why you didn't get the huge increase in power and torque all of the highly calibrated butt dynos here on Camaro5 felt.

Edit: Can you guys post up the dyno sheets for the wedge and the ported manifold?

litle88 · 11-12-2012, 07:44 PM

Awesome birm!
Thanks for posting it up, as long as your happy that's what's important.

Birm · 11-12-2012, 07:51 PM

I will post dynos for you tomorrow, the misses is not happy right now lol.

litle88 · 11-12-2012, 08:39 PM

I know the feeling lol but they get over it lol.

axis · 11-13-2012, 08:05 AM

Since we're throwing things out there, If the IM made ~8whp on a cammed car making roughly 490whp, how much is it going to make on a stock car. It's been common knowledge that ported IM's and the FAST IM start to shine when you start moving considerably more air. Neither has produced much, if anything, on a stock to mildly modded car.

Not suprised about the wedge. I never completely understood the theory behind it, or at the least the way VR explained it. I'm sure there'll be "reasons" as to why it didn't perform the way it should have, but thanks for the info Brim.

puertoricanfont · 11-13-2012, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

Since we're throwing things out there, If the IM made ~8whp on a cammed car making roughly 490whp, how much is it going to make on a stock car. It's been common knowledge that ported IM's and the FAST IM start to shine when you start moving considerably more air. Neither has produced much, if anything, on a stock to mildly modded car.

Not suprised about the wedge. I never completely understood the theory behind it, or at the least the way VR explained it. I'm sure there'll be "reasons" as to why it didn't perform the way it should have, but thanks for the info Brim.

+1 . What would be the gains on a ss with simple boltons (headers,exhaust,intake)

Camper · 11-13-2012, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

Since we're throwing things out there, If the IM made ~8whp on a cammed car making roughly 490whp, how much is it going to make on a stock car. It's been common knowledge that ported IM's and the FAST IM start to shine when you start moving considerably more air. Neither has produced much, if anything, on a stock to mildly modded car.

Not suprised about the wedge. I never completely understood the theory behind it, or at the least the way VR explained it. I'm sure there'll be "reasons" as to why it didn't perform the way it should have, but thanks for the info Brim.

My fast gave me noticeable differences on a bolt on car. Couldnt tell you what the gains are but it felt faster for sure.

I dyno'd at 390 on a mustang dyno with 1-3/4 headers. Thats probably 410-415 on a dynojet.

Birm · 11-13-2012, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS

I'll just go ahead and throw this out there.....
You didn't drive it for 35 miles to allow the fuel trims to learn, that's why you didn't get the huge increase in power and torque all of the highly calibrated butt dynos here on Camaro5 felt.

Edit: Can you guys post up the dyno sheets for the wedge and the ported manifold?

This is true and maybe Tracy can speak a little more on it as obviously I was just there to try and bring an actual gain same day same dyno same condition type test which I think I (we-RX) accomplished.

Had the computer had time to re-learn I assume it would have picked up quite a few more HP then the 8rwhpI gained on back to back runs (only breaks where to allow the dyno to cool and heat soak to dissipate).

Quote:

Originally Posted by litle88

I know the feeling lol but they get over it lol.

Yea she did, I just had to succumb to a few hours of Reality TV with her lol....I almost wish she would of just stayed mad..

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

Since we're throwing things out there, If the IM made ~8whp on a cammed car making roughly 490whp, how much is it going to make on a stock car. It's been common knowledge that ported IM's and the FAST IM start to shine when you start moving considerably more air. Neither has produced much, if anything, on a stock to mildly modded car.

Not suprised about the wedge. I never completely understood the theory behind it, or at the least the way VR explained it. I'm sure there'll be "reasons" as to why it didn't perform the way it should have, but thanks for the info Brim.

I was on the low side of there usual range and it very well could of been to not letting the vehicle relearn as white 2SS/RS pointed out above. Given more time in the day we probably would of, but with the number of test/dyno runs we were trying to accomplish in a short period of time virtually back to back runs was all that we could muster.

For most of us, trying to squeeze the most out of this car until I go FI every hp counts. If I can swap manifolds and gain 8 to the wheel with nothing else that to me is worth it for the cost.

I gained 8rwhp with no relearn, just a swap and a few pulls.

I hope this helps everyone.

My goal was to see if it worked, it did.

My goal was to gain some RWHP and TQ, it did.

IN MY OPINION: This is a very cost effective way to help squeeze every pony out of this car. And if you go FI (Centri or Turbo), you would benefit even more.

I will get dynos up I promise..They will be coming off my phone as I am on duty right now but they will be up.

Chris

11-12-2012, 06:14 PM	#30
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Manifold yes Wedge NO TB your throttle response will greatly improve __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

11-12-2012, 07:44 PM	#36
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Awesome birm! Thanks for posting it up, as long as your happy that's what's important. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

11-12-2012, 08:39 PM	#38
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I know the feeling lol but they get over it lol. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

11-13-2012, 08:05 AM	#39
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Since we're throwing things out there, If the IM made ~8whp on a cammed car making roughly 490whp, how much is it going to make on a stock car. It's been common knowledge that ported IM's and the FAST IM start to shine when you start moving considerably more air. Neither has produced much, if anything, on a stock to mildly modded car. Not suprised about the wedge. I never completely understood the theory behind it, or at the least the way VR explained it. I'm sure there'll be "reasons" as to why it didn't perform the way it should have, but thanks for the info Brim. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

11-12-2012, 06:10 PM	#29
racerx8 Drives: '18 1LE '16 Z06 '22 Z51 '23 Z06 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: MA Posts: 137	Are any gains to be made with the RX ported manifold, wedge and a Vmax TB when added to a 2013 SS 1LE Camaro with ARH long tubes, hi-flo cats and an Air Aid CAI?

11-12-2012, 06:29 PM	#31
racerx8 Drives: '18 1LE '16 Z06 '22 Z51 '23 Z06 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: MA Posts: 137	Thanks little 88. I have a Vmax TB on my '11 CTS and it is a noticable addition so I thought it might help the LS3. Agreed on the wedge though.

11-12-2012, 06:41 PM	#32
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	Little hit it on the head. I will say however that car did feel different on the way home (45min trip). Pulled much harder and it's not placebo for me, it's my dd and I know it in and out. That said I will attribute it more to the manifold which actually showed very reasonable gains for the cost.

11-12-2012, 06:48 PM	#33
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	I personally and 100% honestly would not recommend the wedge. It will be for sale or returned shortly. The intake manifold ported by Tracy however I would absolutely recommend. Gains were very good when you factor $/hp plus the gains it had produced now on multiple vehicles. I will write a better review tomorrow after I smooth things over with the misses, day took a little longer then expected as Tracy pointed out lol. But again too me, well worth the money.

11-12-2012, 06:56 PM	#34
camaro actual Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san antonio TX Posts: 154	glad this was finally done

11-12-2012, 07:36 PM	#35
white ZL1 Drives: none Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: DFW area Posts: 1,844	I'll just go ahead and throw this out there..... You didn't drive it for 35 miles to allow the fuel trims to learn, that's why you didn't get the huge increase in power and torque all of the highly calibrated butt dynos here on Camaro5 felt. Edit: Can you guys post up the dyno sheets for the wedge and the ported manifold?

11-12-2012, 07:51 PM	#37
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	I will post dynos for you tomorrow, the misses is not happy right now lol.