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I'm not sure what you're trying to get through to me - a stock LS3 vs a stock L99 is a drivers race, and if the LS3 guy can drive, he'll come out ahead. Wasn't that the original discussion? I've been drag racing near stock street cars, mostly on street tires, for over 15 years. I don't have the privilege of owning a race car. Sorry if I'm somehow not measuring up to some standard that you seem to have for entering a discussion with you. If you need to see a stack of slips I can post those up any time. I don't get out every weekend, more like 3-4x annually. If my slow car and proving you wrong with the facts that you suggested we look at is too much for you then you're probably right, you should bow out.
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I will chip in a bit as well. If you're driving an auto car, the very first mod you should do is a good converter upgrade. That right there, is the biggest handicap an auto has. Once that has been eliminated, both L99 and 5.0L are quite capable of running 11s with no other mods besides traction related. The 5.0L pulls so hard up top because of its high revving nature. I will say that from a roll or dig, I've never lost to a similar modded auto car in my Camaro. I ran a cammed FBO G8GT as well as a similarly modded L99 Camaro. Both got me out of the hole by about a car or two, but I ran them both down by the time I grabbed the top of 2nd and pulled on the big end. I also raced a highly modded 5.0L that came to visit from the valley. Had the SCJ intake manifold, Lund tune, converter, gears, FBO and claimed to be a 11.2 car. He couldn't beat me either. We went from a 20 or 30 roll and each and every time, I just ever so slightly pulled by a door. His front bumper was at the rear of my door. If I could have gotten me a 1.8 or better short time, my car would have been an 11 sec car. But, track times don't lie and I had a hell of a time finding the sweet spot with shitty track prep because of people oiling the track down.
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I think we're arguing different points. I thought the theory put forth was that the L99 was faster than the LS3, stock vs. stock. Based on the data, that's incorrect. I think you're saying that you can't take the driver out of the equation, and that in an average Joe vs average Joe situation the L99 has an advantage. I wouldn't disagree with that. If you think I'm putting forth that an LS3 will take a 5.0, stock for stock, I'd say no to the 5.0 auto, and drivers race to M6. If you thought I meant an LS3 was going to handle a 5.0, definitely not. We have a Mustang on Mustang series regularly at our track and there are a ton of 5.0 cars. Pretty easy to run 11's with one of those on a good tire. Easier than getting a 5th gen SS into the 11's, that's for sure. I would agree that our fast list, probably much like the Mustang list, represents the best of the best. Stock, most guys struggle to break into the 12's - those that do are usually at very well prepped tracks with extremely good DA's, and or are extremely good drivers - especially the manual guys. I can show you the slips, but they all pretty much go 2.0x, 8.4@88, 12.7@113, that was last fall, this spring, and this summer in the real nasty heat 12.8's. I have about 20 passes in the car total - and countless more on the street, which is a totally different game. Hopefully I'll cook off a 12.5x hero pass in the late fall on a cool sunny day now that the 4.10's are in. Cam and DRs in the future... who knows. This is what it looks like - you tell me what I'm doing wrong. This was first time out with the 4.10, sitting in the hot lanes idling for quite a while, and crappy air. I think I'm getting just about all I can out of these $108/ea Chinesium crap 275/40/20 Delinte Desert Storm D8's that were on the car when I bought it.
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08-31-2017, 12:59 PM | #49 |
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Still have to test the drag radials and stall upgrades. Next Sat night looks good. Im not that big a fan of roll racing ....but ive done it. Roll racing an auto isnt a strong point.
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I'm anxiously awaiting how your car does. I should have the headers/cats/tune done by Thanksgiving or there abouts on my car. After that I'm thinking suspension, with a supercharger being a few years off.
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I know....ive been working most weekends all summer this year.....but im going to go to the track for sure.
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08-31-2017, 08:40 PM | #53 |
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Gossip ...2010reddeviland prostock john are the only 3 guys i listen to regarding drag racing.
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Yeah I hope to meet GSJ one day. I'd love to run at my old stomping grounds; Atco.
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Thanks Ron. I'm no pro by any means, but I definitely like to share emy first hand knowledge of what my experience has been. I have learned the hard way sometimes, and if I can help prevent someone else from following that hard pass, then I'm all for it. I gotta tell you, there's nothing in the world that is gonna prepare you for the feeling of dead hooking with a good tire. Talk about planting you in the seat! One of the reasons I miss my old 3v and I still may get another. One, the sound that 4.6L makes when uncorked and two, being an underdog but putting my money where it counted. I absolutely love the Coyote, and I eventually will get one. But I never got to see what my old 3v was capable of with the converter at the track. I know it wasn't as fast mph wise as my Camaro, but damn that thing could launch like a bat out of hell....... LOL.
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Stock, the 4.6L HO in our Crown Victoria's were absolute dogs. The 3.7L Interceptor's are noticeably faster.
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