Someone race 11' 12' gt500 vs zl1 (at strip)

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Then the dyno was calibrated improperly. The SAE rating standard used by utilized by the zl1 makes underrating near impossible. Dyno #s are easy to inflate.

Your right. I guess the track timing system was skewed too when they ran it huh? Lol

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I am ready to see some real world tests for the Shelby too! Its seems all these heavy rear wheel drive cars are having trouble dealing with these massive HP numbers...... soooo I really want to see how the Shelby puts all that HP to the ground. All I can think about is how the Viper and Vett struggle, even with steam roller back tires.

At least you realize it isn't a Shelby thing; it is a power thing. A ZL1 with the TC off will have the same problems getting out of the hole, especially a modded one. Any car that makes 500wtq right off of idle is going to struggle with traction.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

Anyone with some racing sense knows after watching this video that the Shelby is the FASTER car. The faster car doesnt always win. How is this? Cause the FASTER car was not driven as well. The V was the QUICKER car in the test but not the FASTER. The Shelby had 2.3mph on the V. They put a M6 car against a paddle shifted Auto. The Shelby was doomed from the start. You can cleary see that the Shelby lost ground during each shift.

A better test would have been to get both cars with a M6. Use the same driver on both cars and see which car he could get a better time with.

A ZL1 vs 11-12 Shelby is a drivers race, end of story. The two cars are very close to being equal when it comes to straight line performance.

Well its a good thing the ZL1 comes in Auto A lose is a lose ......... maybe they should make a auto Shelby??

[gearhead08]

Originally Posted by tooslow

I'm pretty sure they never made a black/gold stripe GT500. The only Mustangs I have ever seen with those colors are the Shelby Hertz models.

+1 this is very true unless someone else painted or put vinyl stripes on their gt500

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

Anyone with some racing sense knows after watching this video that the Shelby is the FASTER car. The faster car doesnt always win. How is this? Cause the FASTER car was not driven as well. The V was the QUICKER car in the test but not the FASTER. The Shelby had 2.3mph on the V. They put a M6 car against a paddle shifted Auto. The Shelby was doomed from the start. You can cleary see that the Shelby lost ground during each shift.

A better test would have been to get both cars with a M6. Use the same driver on both cars and see which car he could get a better time with.

A ZL1 vs 11-12 Shelby is a drivers race, end of story. The two cars are very close to being equal when it comes to straight line performance.

Yep. But soooo many people here have never raced at a track - You can tell by their "logic." I've actually trapped 4MPH higher and was slower through the lights due to a terrible start. (My 60' time was 2:20.)

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

A ZL1 vs 11-12 Shelby is a drivers race.

Not to come after you but I keep seeing people say this and I feel like it should be an obvious statement in any race between any two cars esp a drag race. I mean if you line a lambo and a prius up then red-light the lambo, the prius wins.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

Anyone with some racing sense knows after watching this video that the Shelby is the FASTER car. The faster car doesnt always win. How is this? Cause the FASTER car was not driven as well. The V was the QUICKER car in the test but not the FASTER. The Shelby had 2.3mph on the V. They put a M6 car against a paddle shifted Auto. The Shelby was doomed from the start. You can cleary see that the Shelby lost ground during each shift.

A better test would have been to get both cars with a M6. Use the same driver on both cars and see which car he could get a better time with.

A ZL1 vs 11-12 Shelby is a drivers race, end of story. The two cars are very close to being equal when it comes to straight line performance.

So if the ZL1 automatic beats either a 12/13 Gt500 it's not a fair race because the 500 doesn't have an automatic as well. Your car is what it can run in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile with you driving, it's not what a professional driver on a prep track and perfect conditions ran once. If any of you have gone to the drag strip lately you know that these stock cars for the most part do not run anywhere near what we read about in these forums.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Where would we be if every transnational corporation made gut decisions based on ego rather than logical business decisions? These aren't two guys in NHRA grudge matches, they are enormous corporations trying to sell cars and accepting this challenge would be an unnecessary risk with no greater potential reward. GM knows this and that's why they issued the challenge. They know if Ford accepts that meant they were already going to post a better lap time and it wouldn't matter anyway. If they don't accept that means GM gets to point to that and say, "look, look!"

You're completely missing the point and the logic behind not accepting the challenge. Here are the potential outcomes if Ford accepts the challenge vs Ford not accepting the challenge.

Ford Accepts

-ZL1 posts a faster lap time, extra positive publicity for ZL1 negative publicity for gt500

-GT500 posts a better lap time, positive press for gt500

Ford Doesn't Accept

-Ford doesn't achieve a faster lap time, they don't post an official time and there is no extra press positive or negative in regard to 'ring times.

-Ford does achieve a faster lap time, positive press for gt500

Do you understand why accepting the challenge doesn't increase the potential positives for Ford, but increases potential negatives? By accepting the challenge they could only put themselves in a worse position by losing or the SAME position they would be in by posting a faster official lap time. Beating the zl1 in an official lap time would have just as positive a reaction as beating it head to head, but losing head to head would have far more negative a reaction than just never posting an official lap time. It would be a poor strategic business decision and last I checked, Ford is a business.

And that's what's wrong with todays society no one is willing to do anything unless there is a guaranteed way for them to benefit. I don't see how you say that losing would have such a huge negative impact for ford but winning would benefit them in no way, how is that? Would the people that would actually be swayed not to buy the ford by such an event more than likely be on the line about it already and be equally moved to buy it if it won?

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So if the ZL1 automatic beats either a 12/13 Gt500 it's not a fair race because the 500 doesn't have an automatic as well. Your car is what it can run in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile with you driving, it's not what a professional driver on a prep track and perfect conditions ran once. If any of you have gone to the drag strip lately you know that these stock cars for the most part do not run anywhere near what we read about in these forums.

Naw - I think what he was saying is that it takes more than one launch to get it down. I'm with ya though - you line up and run them as is and it is what it is. If you lose, you lose. If you win - you win. Next.

You're also EXACTLY right in that, for the most part, at the strip they DON'T run what the mags say they do.

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So if the ZL1 automatic beats either a 12/13 Gt500 it's not a fair race because the 500 doesn't have an automatic as well. Your car is what it can run in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile with you driving, it's not what a professional driver on a prep track and perfect conditions ran once. If any of you have gone to the drag strip lately you know that these stock cars for the most part do not run anywhere near what we read about in these forums.

I think you are forgetting the fact that the dirver of the Shelby shifted very slowly. While auto to manual comparisons are fine, the manual car will always be at the mercy of the driver, and that guy was clearly not power shifting the car.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by nanokpsi

I think you are forgetting the fact that the dirver of the Shelby shifted very slowly. While auto to manual comparisons are fine, the manual car will always be at the mercy of the driver, and that guy was clearly not power shifting the car.

Really???
He was racing, and in the "race" he was shifting "very" slowly...

This is why irregardless of the outcome there are not going to be any clear winners.
GET OVER IT!!! Move on, nothing to see here.

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by Vette TPI

Chevy is making it easier to knock out an overpowered car with poor tires. In no doubt the ZL1 will destroy the Shelby with the tires they keep putting on them. Ford can always scheduled the race for a time of now. As they are confident enough to put out their power numbers.

I am going to go ahead and guess that you have never driver a fast car. If you think 20mm on tread width is going to completely transofrm the same tire, you are incredibly naive.

I am guessing Ford did not accept the challenge becasue they did not have an apples to apples comparison of their own (closd track). Any smart attorney knows that you shouldn't ask a question unless you alrady know what the answer will be.
Also, it seems like a collosal waiste of money as people will buy the car they are loyal to regardless of the outcome. How many bandwagoners, from either camp, are going to honestly buy the other car based on a head to head ring time? My guess woiuld be a VERY small percentage, and of those hard core track guys, I am sure they KNOW they would be better off in something like a Boss 302S or used porsche CUP car, ie a dedicated road race car.

As was mantioned by another poster, either one of these cars will put a big smile on your face and will put a hurting on most things they come across on the street (especially when modded). Randomly seeing the other car in traffic will be a rare occurance, so you won't have to worry too much about who will have the bigger smile when it does happen.

[lexlueger]

Where are all these blazing fast gt500's these fanboys speak of? All I see is smoke from them trying to hook, then headlights in my rearview

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

Where are all these blazing fast gt500's these fanboys speak of? All I see is smoke from them trying to hook, then headlights in my rearview

They hang out at the same places the blazing fast ZL1's do. You have to be a member of the club to get an invitation.