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ron123 · 05-06-2016, 10:57 AM

There are others that are still reporting in forums that the oil pump pressure relief valve got stuck even on their newer cars. It's been a PI since 2009 ("PIP4158C: Low Oil Pressure Due To Seized Oil Pressure Relief Valve - (Dec 29, 2009)". Some have noticed scuffs on the side of the relief valve piston - when they manually moved it, then it slammed back to the shut position where it should be to allow full pressure.
Here is a video that shows operation of an oil Pressure Relief valve related to problem on following Aluminum V8 Engine RPOs: L76, L77, L92, L94, L99, L9H, LC9, LH6, LH8, LH9, LS2, LS3, LS4, LS7, LS9, LSA, LZ1).
He mentions Camaro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=DoCQEdXYTGQ

Maybe if the OP contacts one of the GM Service Reps that monitor this forum they will be able to help since they likely have seen threads on this problem many times.
Ron

Olddudesrule · 05-06-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Criticalmass

Get a lawyer. you NEED to at LEAST SPEAK to a lawyer. The people on this forum do not have law degrees. I have been through this and know several who have, every single case was settled out of court to the paintiff's satisfaction.

If everything is as YOU say and they aren't claiming the Air Intake was faulty instead, this is an open and shut case. Do not stop to collect $200.00 do not talk to anyone else, do not make any decisions until you have consulted an attorney.

OP, you've gotten two good posts from Criticalmass. Please follow his advice. Do the math. If you do nothing now, you're out at least the cost of the repair on your own dime. The cost of speaking with a lawyer, especially one who specializes in consumer issues, will be a faction of that. You will likely get GM to cover at least half of the cost, maybe more. Don't let them stonewall you over what is a ridiculous claim. There is no way they can prove a CC caused an oil pressure failure. I had a similar issue with the warranty on a 2005 Chevy Duramax I was having fuel injector issues with. Dealer took photos, one of which was an Edge Insight monitor on the dash. Chevy said, "no warranty" because I had a tune installed. I told them it was just a monitor, literally digital gauges, and they still said no. I told them to check the ECM, knowing there was no tune, and they said "didn't matter, you hooked something up to the OBDII port, and it could have affected the injector balance rates." Knowing this was BS, and that the Edge was just a gauge package, I fought. Bottom line, they replaced my injectors, kicking and screaming, but they fixed them. Don't bow down to a BS claim.

Side note, I too have a CC, and glad I saved the stock "U" hose. If this happens to me, I'll change the hose back to stock before I bring it in, just to avoid the hassle. They will probably tell me the headers caused the oil pressure issues thought, huh??

*TAG UR IT* · 05-06-2016, 11:10 AM

(EDIT: Pardon the emotional feelings on my post...knowing John, the things he's been through (family, etc), and then to see this happen to him...I'm kinda miffed)

In Summary:

I sure hope GM steps up to the plate on this one.

Catch can is professionally and correctly installed in his 15' 1LE. Oil pump dies (which is a known problem, TSB). Dealer AND GM both ok the tear down and fix of the engine. Work begins and without even inspecting the engine, The TAC sees a picture of the catch can and says, "halt all work! Aftermarket part! Deny claim and block warranty!"

What the heck?? While I know it's not GM's fault....it's the liaison between GM and the dealer, I hope GM steps up to the plate as I'm SURE they know it wasn't a catch can that caused John's problem. I even called my shop foreman who's been working with Chevy's for over 30 years. He knows just as much as the other guy that the catch can didn't cause any part to fail. Shoot....he even said to "raise hell." Man, if this was me, yeah...I'd want to raise hell too. I seriously feel for John...

Please help out, inspect the car, inspect the engine, inspect the pump and the catch can, and do what's right, GM. Fix this guys engine because this issue...(IMO) it really paints GM and it's dealers in a bad light. And if for some reason it actually is the catch cans fault (which I honestly can't see how that could ever happen), please give the man an explanation as to how the catch can effected the pump/engine because at this time, that still hasn't been done. Thank you.

*TAG UR IT* · 05-06-2016, 11:11 AM

What irks me even more?

John's wife had serious issues during pregnancy several years back. If I remember correctly, it cost them upwards of 20k in medical bills. Little by little they chipped away at the bills but there went Johns dream of getting his new Camaro. John told me later on that his wife was secretly putting $ away on the side because she knew just how much he wanted a new Camaro. Meanwhile, he was going to Camaro fests in this old beater.... Yeah. And he's been waiting for 4 years for this...

So here he is with his new Camaro...that he added a catch can to because he THOUGHT it was going to help the engine last longer and keep it cleaner because you know.....it's not an aftermarket supercharger, it's not a $300 tune, it's not a cam shaft, it's not ported and polished heads, it's not...

It's not anything that any one of us out there in MOD land would normally jump on first to make our cars faster or look cooler. It's a mod that was done which he understood wouldn't affect the warranty (since GM already puts a catch can in the line but on the other side) and would actually help the engine stay cleaner. It's...disappointing to see this happen....very ... errr....

lkurek · 05-06-2016, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Coopgt

That sucks . I agree Gm has to prove the CC was the problem . Which I don't think they can.

Again.....wrong. GM does NOT have to prove that the catch can caused the problem. All they need to prove is that modifications were made to the failed system (in this case, engine) and they win. No warranty coverage on this system..... Unless you have a GM authorized part installed by a GM dealer.....you WILL lose coverage for even the smallest, insignificant mods. CAI, tune. catch can, headers, Recaros, stereo, etc.....

Bottom line, and this is not ethical but it happens all the time.....DE-MOD your car ANY time it goes to the dealer. COMPLETELY demod it or risk losing warranty coverage.

68rssscamaro · 05-06-2016, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Please help out, inspect the car, inspect the engine, inspect the pump and the catch can, and do what's right, GM. Fix this guys engine because this issue...(IMO) it really paints GM and it's dealers in a bad light. And if for some reason it actually is the catch cans fault (which I honestly can't see how that could ever happen), please give the man an explanation as to how the catch can effected the pump/engine because at this time, that still hasn't been done. Thank you.

I agree.
Sounds like John is a great guy and just doing what he thought was only the best for his Camaro. I hope GM steps up here too!

lkurek · 05-06-2016, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Criticalmass

Get a lawyer. you NEED to at LEAST SPEAK to a lawyer. The people on this forum do not have law degrees. I have been through this and know several who have, every single case was settled out of court to the paintiff's satisfaction.

If everything is as YOU say and they aren't claiming the Air Intake was faulty instead, this is an open and shut case. Do not stop to collect $200.00 do not talk to anyone else, do not make any decisions until you have consulted an attorney.

Good advice. Always consult an attorney of your choosing. Initial consultations are usually no charge, but be advised....you will probably be out retainer fees and such, and other than settling, will cost you more time aggrevation and money than just paying to get it fixed.

FWIW, I do have a legal background, and do not work for GM

JLSuperfly · 05-06-2016, 11:57 AM

That was a very detailed post. OP, good luck.

DRKS1D3 · 05-06-2016, 12:01 PM

OP, I hope you get this resolved. I know what they say, "You gotta pay to play.", but this is absurd. Your catch can caused your oil pump to fail?

Especially since this is a known issue with the LS engines. Complete garbage on both the dealer and GM if you ask me. Yea, this one time my aftermarket stereo caused my engine to throw a rod.

Good luck OP!

camaro_uk · 05-06-2016, 12:03 PM

Just to confirm, the 1LE's came with a catch can from the factory.

It was in the trunk in a box when i bought mine. It had some kind of warning on it saying "for off road use only". I've never used it but don't see how a factory part is at fault, unless they're trying to argue that the specific model of the catch can you used is at fault...

Ledzepx · 05-06-2016, 12:05 PM

Alot of good advice here.

Dizzy82 · 05-06-2016, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbow1616

But is it worth having a catch can if WE may have to go through this someday? Hopefully a vendor or manufacturer will respond to this thread.
I empty mine about every 6 months or so and I always get a few ounces out of it but as most of us using their Camaro as a DD I certainly could not afford any downtime while they denied a warranty claim. Makes Me wonder if I should just take it off?

Your 5yr/100,000 mile powertrain warranty should almost be over right?

DRKS1D3 · 05-06-2016, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro_uk

Just to confirm, the 1LE's came with a catch can from the factory.

It was in the trunk in a box when i bought mine. It had some kind of warning on it saying "for off road use only". I've never used it but don't see how a factory part is at fault, unless they're trying to argue that the specific model of the catch can you used is at fault...

It's not the stock (clean-side) separator that they're saying caused the failure. It is an aftermarket unit he put on.

Rainbow1616 · 05-06-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dizzy82

Your 5yr/100,000 mile powertrain warranty should almost be over right?

Yes I have a few months left and fortunately I have never had to take it back to the dealer for anything other than a few times for State Inspection.
It just shocked Me to see that they think a catch can caused this. If that is even remotely possible I would take mine off.

The situation the OP is in really saddens Me and I wish GM would step up and take care of this quickly or provide proof of what happened.

If this is such a big point of failure I wonder why a class action suit was never brought forth?

05-06-2016, 10:57 AM	#71
ron123 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,053	There are others that are still reporting in forums that the oil pump pressure relief valve got stuck even on their newer cars. It's been a PI since 2009 ("PIP4158C: Low Oil Pressure Due To Seized Oil Pressure Relief Valve - (Dec 29, 2009)". Some have noticed scuffs on the side of the relief valve piston - when they manually moved it, then it slammed back to the shut position where it should be to allow full pressure. Here is a video that shows operation of an oil Pressure Relief valve related to problem on following Aluminum V8 Engine RPOs: L76, L77, L92, L94, L99, L9H, LC9, LH6, LH8, LH9, LS2, LS3, LS4, LS7, LS9, LSA, LZ1). He mentions Camaro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=DoCQEdXYTGQ Maybe if the OP contacts one of the GM Service Reps that monitor this forum they will be able to help since they likely have seen threads on this problem many times. Ron __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, Z28 CAI and High Wing Spoiler, ZL1 5.1:1 Ratio Short-Throw Shifter, ZL1 Pedals, ZL1 splash guards, NPP Dual-mode quad tip exhaust, Z28 strut tower brace, Camaro LED Cup-holders with footwell Lighting option, Leather visors, and Leather E-brake boot. Chevy dealer sponsored 67 retro SS nose stripe package.

05-06-2016, 12:01 PM	#79
DRKS1D3 Drives: '17 Corvette Grand Sport M7 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,748	OP, I hope you get this resolved. I know what they say, "You gotta pay to play.", but this is absurd. Your catch can caused your oil pump to fail? Especially since this is a known issue with the LS engines. Complete garbage on both the dealer and GM if you ask me. Yea, this one time my aftermarket stereo caused my engine to throw a rod. Good luck OP! __________________ MY RIDE: 2017 CORVETTE GRAND SPORT--TRIPLE BLACK, 7 SPEED MANUAL, VARARAM TCR-7 INTAKE, BORLA CATLESS X-PIPE, CARBON FIBER STAGE 2 AERO, MGW SHORT-THROW SHIFTER SOLD2011 TRIPLE BLACK SS CONVERTIBLE--6 SPEED MANUAL, MANY MODS, 455 RWHP/435 RWTQ DAD'S RIDE: 2012 ZL1 #1866--BLACK, 6 SPEED MANUAL, EXPOSED CF HOOD, POLISHED WHEELS, SUNROOF, ROTO-FAB INTAKE "Silly Americans, taking from the rich and giving to the poor only works in fairy tales. Success is earned here!".

05-06-2016, 12:05 PM	#81
Ledzepx Drives: 2010 2SS Camaro 6sp. Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 639	Alot of good advice here. __________________ www.rsconversions.com

05-06-2016, 11:10 AM	#73
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	(EDIT: Pardon the emotional feelings on my post...knowing John, the things he's been through (family, etc), and then to see this happen to him...I'm kinda miffed) In Summary: I sure hope GM steps up to the plate on this one. Catch can is professionally and correctly installed in his 15' 1LE. Oil pump dies (which is a known problem, TSB). Dealer AND GM both ok the tear down and fix of the engine. Work begins and without even inspecting the engine, The TAC sees a picture of the catch can and says, "halt all work! Aftermarket part! Deny claim and block warranty!" What the heck?? While I know it's not GM's fault....it's the liaison between GM and the dealer, I hope GM steps up to the plate as I'm SURE they know it wasn't a catch can that caused John's problem. I even called my shop foreman who's been working with Chevy's for over 30 years. He knows just as much as the other guy that the catch can didn't cause any part to fail. Shoot....he even said to "raise hell." Man, if this was me, yeah...I'd want to raise hell too. I seriously feel for John... Please help out, inspect the car, inspect the engine, inspect the pump and the catch can, and do what's right, GM. Fix this guys engine because this issue...(IMO) it really paints GM and it's dealers in a bad light. And if for some reason it actually is the catch cans fault (which I honestly can't see how that could ever happen), please give the man an explanation as to how the catch can effected the pump/engine because at this time, that still hasn't been done. Thank you.

05-06-2016, 11:11 AM	#74
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	What irks me even more? John's wife had serious issues during pregnancy several years back. If I remember correctly, it cost them upwards of 20k in medical bills. Little by little they chipped away at the bills but there went Johns dream of getting his new Camaro. John told me later on that his wife was secretly putting $ away on the side because she knew just how much he wanted a new Camaro. Meanwhile, he was going to Camaro fests in this old beater.... Yeah. And he's been waiting for 4 years for this... So here he is with his new Camaro...that he added a catch can to because he THOUGHT it was going to help the engine last longer and keep it cleaner because you know.....it's not an aftermarket supercharger, it's not a $300 tune, it's not a cam shaft, it's not ported and polished heads, it's not... It's not anything that any one of us out there in MOD land would normally jump on first to make our cars faster or look cooler. It's a mod that was done which he understood wouldn't affect the warranty (since GM already puts a catch can in the line but on the other side) and would actually help the engine stay cleaner. It's...disappointing to see this happen....very ... errr....

05-06-2016, 11:57 AM	#78
JLSuperfly Drives: 2014 Red Hot LS3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,266	That was a very detailed post. OP, good luck.

05-06-2016, 12:03 PM	#80
camaro_uk Drives: 2015 1LE Camaro Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 88	Just to confirm, the 1LE's came with a catch can from the factory. It was in the trunk in a box when i bought mine. It had some kind of warning on it saying "for off road use only". I've never used it but don't see how a factory part is at fault, unless they're trying to argue that the specific model of the catch can you used is at fault...