2011 Camaro Z28 v6 turbo vs superchared v8

[oneinch]

I think it would be great to offer two different performance platforms. The Z/28 would be great with a twin turbo V6. The aftermarket will pump up the power. The Z didn't have the most muscle back in the day, nor should it have it in this day. The Z/28 should be about handling and finesse with something exotic thrown in - twins turbos. On the other hand, the SS (or a ZL1) could go the bigger is better and badder route - get to the next stop light before the other guy. It would be best to offer two completely different performance platforms - finesse or brawn.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by oneinch

I think it would be great to offer two different performance platforms. The Z/28 would be great with a twin turbo V6. The aftermarket will pump up the power. The Z didn't have the most muscle back in the day, nor should it have it in this day. The Z/28 should be about handling and finesse with something exotic thrown in - twins turbos. On the other hand, the SS (or a ZL1) could go the bigger is better and badder route - get to the next stop light before the other guy. It would be best to offer two completely different performance platforms - finesse or brawn.

I still don't understand this type of logic. The only reason the 69 Z/28 had a 302 v8 is because of Trans-Am 5.0ltr displacement limitation. If Trans am had a 7.0ltr limitation then the 69 Z28 would have had a 427c.i. v8 in it. Now today there is no racing sereis that would limit the size of the Z/28 engine, so why do so. The is the 21st century not 1969, in TODAY's market place a more expensive TTV6 camaro Z28 with 1 less horspower than a regular SS, would not only be not competitive, but would serve no other purpose than the ability to have a slightly higher highway fuel economy rating. And the weight difference between the SS and the LS is only about 100lbs, by the time you add the turbos and necesary cooling, you may only have a 50lb weight saving on the nose and thats it. It is a bogus argument IMO. Also those who would not want to see a $50k Z28 have forgoten that a fully option 69 Z28 was on of the mose EXPENSIVE versions of the camaro (the corvette 4-wheel dics brakes were not cheap). I think Jay leno's TTv6 Camaro is a prototype of the Executive camaro Bob lutz mention awhile back, not the Z28. (thank god)

Edit: for an example that is the same logic if someone told me "Since the 1969 Z28 did not have anti-lock brakes, then todays Z28 should not either." It just sounds silly to me.

[chevy454]

Originally Posted by truth411

Also those who would not want to see a $50k Z28 have forgoten that a fully option 69 Z28 was on of the mose EXPENSIVE versions of the camaro (the corvette 4-wheel dics brakes were not cheap).

Only 200+ Camaros got the JL8 option in 1969, with ~20k Z28s being produced that year, and it was under $500 for the Z28 option...so for around $3k you coulda drove away with one...sounds like a bargain to me!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by chevy454

Only 200+ Camaros got the JL8 option in 1969, with ~20k Z28s being produced that year, and it was under $500 for the Z28 option...so for around $3k you coulda drove away with one...sounds like a bargain to me!

And in 21st century pricing (and incomes) thats like saying its a $5000 option on a $30,000 car. Still sound like a bargin?

[chevy454]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

And in 21st century pricing (and incomes) thats like saying its a $5000 option on a $30,000 car. Still sound like a bargin?

That's $500 on top of the base Camaro price...which would be like a $5000 option on top of the initial $23k, which make it cheaper than our 1SS by a few grand. So, yeah, sounds like a bargain to me...

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by chevy454

Only 200+ Camaros got the JL8 option in 1969, with ~20k Z28s being produced that year, and it was under $500 for the Z28 option...so for around $3k you coulda drove away with one...sounds like a bargain to me!

Well certainly it sounds like a bargain today, but that was not at today's earnings in today's dollars. Trust me, I worked every bit as hard to pay for my $3,385 Z/28 in 1969 as people are working today for a $32,000-$37,000 Camaro SS today. If I remember correctly new Corvettes at that time stickered for $5K-$6K. So yeah, if you look at it from today's perspective the '69 Z/28 was cheap, if you lived, worked, and bought one in '69 it was not necessarily "a bargain".
Clyde

[HeadlightArmor]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Well certainly it sounds like a bargain today, but that was not at today's earnings in today's dollars. Trust me, I worked every bit as hard to pay for my $3,385 Z/28 in 1969 as people are working today for a $32,000-$37,000 Camaro SS today. If I remember correctly new Corvettes at that time stickered for $5K-$6K. So yeah, if you look at it from today's perspective the '69 Z/28 was cheap, if you lived, worked, and bought one in '69 it was not necessarily "a bargain".
Clyde

I voted TT V6

wildpaws' $3,385 Z/28 in August 1969 would be $59,875 in today's dollars, so I will go out on a limb and say they are going to come out with one under it!

As for sound and power potential, I watched a GT-R getting a custom tune last week and it sounded plenty mean. The only mods were a cat delete and engine management. Put down 527 hp and 545 tq on a Mustang dyno. Not the same thing of course, but additional power is a lot easier with turbo's.

[R6P]

Originally Posted by ctk1
I feel that the twin turbo V6 with the weight savings and handling package of Jay Leno's car would be the perfect Z28. That is what the original Z28 was. It was a lightweight car built to handle like it was on rains, and it has a smaller displacement engine than the "Big Boys" but would rev high and nearly make "big boy" power. The Leno car would be true to the original Z28.
As far as the 550horsepower cobra killer, I feel that it should be called the ZL1. The original ZL1 was the ultimate Camaro with insane power, a relatively high price tag and low volume. Making these 2 cars would pay homage to the past, but thats just my 2 cents. What do you guys think?

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I agree 100%

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^Yeah, what he said

Add me to that list, TTv6 z28... ZL1 Supercharged v8 as Top Dog

[boxmonkeyracing]

what weight savings?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

what weight savings?

the huge 75 lbs saved by a V6 vs V8

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

the huge 75 lbs saved by a V6 vs V8

plus trubos plus intercoolers etc. so what savings?

[JBsC6]

LSA 550 hp will be the only way to fly.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

plus trubos plus intercoolers etc. so what savings?

you are forgetting the supercharger and intercooler on the V8

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

you are forgetting the supercharger and intercooler on the V8

or I'm still hoping for a DI v8. lol.