2015 Camaro SS help with vehicle diagnostic report

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by JerTM

Sounds like someone trying to blame their crappy driving on the car.

I just want to find out the truth.... not trying to blame anybody

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by JLSuperfly

Like what others have stated. Post detailed information. The codes you get, how your car is behaving, what have you done to the car lately if any. etc.
The people in this forum are very helpful if they know more.
Good luck.

I just did, thank you

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by JLSuperfly

Like what others have stated. Post detailed information. The codes you get, how your car is behaving, what have you done to the car lately if any. etc.
The people in this forum are very helpful if they know more.
Good luck.

Thank you

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by JerTM

Sounds like someone trying to blame their crappy driving on the car.

If the car has defects, it means I traying to blame the car? for your information my son was a pretty good driver. Please respect the memory of my son. No one knows him. Would be nice to be a bit kind. I’m sorry if your life has treated you bad enough to be like that to others.

[MrChrisLS3]

It sounds like your son was involved in a fatal accident. I'm very sorry to hear that. You must be beside yourself, I can't even begin to imagine what you are going through.

Unfortunately, I don't think the codes themselves are going to give much insight. They are not time stamped per se. Sometimes when a fault code trips and then resets, it can show as a history code in the ECU for a certain period of time, but again, it won't time stamp when the code was tripped.

The list you showed looks typical of what I might expect to see after a major accident. It would be very difficult to decipher if it occurred before or after the accident.

Honestly, I do not know if our cars have this or not, I should I guess, but many cars have what is referred to as a black box, similar to what airplanes have, that record certain information like speed direction, braking and the like. If OnStar was active, they may also be able to help with some of this information as well, I don't really know for sure.

Accidents are a messy, unpredictable event that can at times seem to bend the laws of physics. How, or what caused a delayed deployment of the air bags could be very difficult to discover.

The best bet may be to get the police report and follow up from there. Try to find out if there were any security or traffic cameras in operation in the area. See if you can follow up on any eyewitness statements if applicable. Obtaining this information may require some type of legal representation, I don't know.

Either way, my prayers are with you and your family. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I wish you the best of luck, and hope you find the truth you seek. Keep in mind that some of the answers may never come clear. Don't let it consume you, your son wouldn't want that for you.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by JerTM

Sounds like someone trying to blame their crappy driving on the car.

Originally Posted by Ssmybaby

If the car has defects, it means I traying to blame the car? for your information my son was a pretty good driver. Please respect the memory of my son. No one knows him. Would be nice to be a bit kind. I’m sorry if your life has treated you bad enough to be like that to others.

In defense of JerTM, he is a GM tech and has offered a great deal of help to many here. When he posted that, we did not yet know the story, and your first post was rather vague.

Typically when we see something like your first post, it is usually someone who messed up their car and is looking for a way to get GM to pay for the repair. Obviously this is not your case, but again, at that time we did not know that. Once again, sorry for your loss.

[Gasoholic]

Sorry for your loss.
On the stored codes thing, some codes set simply because a module has to see a complete drive cycle before the system self test is complete. So if you simply hook up a scan tool and run a self test you might get some false codes, or rather incomplete info untill you run the vehicle through a complete drive cycle. Until the cycle is completed the various circuits cant be completely verified.
This is especially common with air bags and supplemental restraint systems.
Honestly if you really want answers it would probably be best to retain a lawyer who specializes in this subject.
For what its worth, I owned a GM product previously that unbeknownst to me, was involved in the Takata air bag recall. I totaled it in a head on crash and the air bags worked potentially saving my life.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we've come a long way with technology. It may not be perfect. We obviously still have a ways to go on that, but truth is a person has a much better chance of surviving a crash today than they did 15 yrs ago.
Wish I could bring your son back!!! If something did go wrong perhaps someone like you can push to find out the truth. And the next mothers child to have such an accident will survive because of you and your son.
God Bless You both. Your in my prayers.

[jergarr]

Im very sorry for your loss. I could not imagine losing a child. I think your only option here would be seeking a lawyer if you haven't already. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[snarky]

Fog of grief lifting? Lawyer up and let them work for you.

[JerTM]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

In defense of JerTM, he is a GM tech and has offered a great deal of help to many here. When he posted that, we did not yet know the story, and your first post was rather vague.

Typically when we see something like your first post, it is usually someone who messed up their car and is looking for a way to get GM to pay for the repair. Obviously this is not your case, but again, at that time we did not know that. Once again, sorry for your loss.

I do appologize for any heartache my comments may have caused. I was not aware of the circumstances. As ChrisLS3 has said, typically it's someone goofing off and doesn't want to pay for their mistakes.

Having said that, there is no way that I know of to make a timeline of events based on DTCs. All of those are what I would typically find in an vehicle in an accident. Not all airbags will go off in every event. They take a very specific event to happen to trigger each one individually. I would suggest contacting a lawyer if you believe your son was not at fault. They may be able to get an expert on such matters.

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by Ssmybaby

Codes

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start.

You’re welcome lol

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

It sounds like your son was involved in a fatal accident. I'm very sorry to hear that. You must be beside yourself, I can't even begin to imagine what you are going through.

Unfortunately, I don't think the codes themselves are going to give much insight. They are not time stamped per se. Sometimes when a fault code trips and then resets, it can show as a history code in the ECU for a certain period of time, but again, it won't time stamp when the code was tripped.

The list you showed looks typical of what I might expect to see after a major accident. It would be very difficult to decipher if it occurred before or after the accident.

Honestly, I do not know if our cars have this or not, I should I guess, but many cars have what is referred to as a black box, similar to what airplanes have, that record certain information like speed direction, braking and the like. If OnStar was active, they may also be able to help with some of this information as well, I don't really know for sure.

Accidents are a messy, unpredictable event that can at times seem to bend the laws of physics. How, or what caused a delayed deployment of the air bags could be very difficult to discover.

The best bet may be to get the police report and follow up from there. Try to find out if there were any security or traffic cameras in operation in the area. See if you can follow up on any eyewitness statements if applicable. Obtaining this information may require some type of legal representation, I don't know.

Either way, my prayers are with you and your family. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I wish you the best of luck, and hope you find the truth you seek. Keep in mind that some of the answers may never come clear. Don't let it consume you, your son wouldn't want that for you.

Thank you so much for that info, did answer some of my questions, and yes it does have an EDR and was downloaded already by NHTSA crash investigator but I don’t have access to it until is made public.

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

In defense of JerTM, he is a GM tech and has offered a great deal of help to many here. When he posted that, we did not yet know the story, and your first post was rather vague.

Typically when we see something like your first post, it is usually someone who messed up their car and is looking for a way to get GM to pay for the repair. Obviously this is not your case, but again, at that time we did not know that. Once again, sorry for your loss.

Thank you so much, we never know what people is going though, I have a real good idea what pain make us do. And sorry if I sounded defensive my son well, he’s my son what can I say. Thank you for your time, didn’t meant to make any body feel bad for me. I just need to figure this out that’s all.

[Ssmybaby]

Originally Posted by Gasoholic

Sorry for your loss.
On the stored codes thing, some codes set simply because a module has to see a complete drive cycle before the system self test is complete. So if you simply hook up a scan tool and run a self test you might get some false codes, or rather incomplete info untill you run the vehicle through a complete drive cycle. Until the cycle is completed the various circuits cant be completely verified.
This is especially common with air bags and supplemental restraint systems.
Honestly if you really want answers it would probably be best to retain a lawyer who specializes in this subject.
For what its worth, I owned a GM product previously that unbeknownst to me, was involved in the Takata air bag recall. I totaled it in a head on crash and the air bags worked potentially saving my life.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we've come a long way with technology. It may not be perfect. We obviously still have a ways to go on that, but truth is a person has a much better chance of surviving a crash today than they did 15 yrs ago.
Wish I could bring your son back!!! If something did go wrong perhaps someone like you can push to find out the truth. And the next mothers child to have such an accident will survive because of you and your son.
God Bless You both. Your in my prayers.

Thank you so much, that’s exactly what I am trying to prevent, I think my son dead should be enough for them to make a recall.. I contacted NHTSA right away for them to take action but, almost 9 moths and all they do is try to make stories up, to me is clear when there is metal fragments inside the cabin and burn holes
on the air bag.

Contacted NCSA’s special crash investigation office and office of Defects and investigations and nothing. They have the EDR ( black box ) data
Not sure what else I can do. I don’t want Attorney’s I don’t need money, but it’s been 10 months and I see no actions done I might have to hire one to see results.