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10-18-2018, 04:20 PM | #184 | |
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Nah you're fine man. I'm all for out of the box thinking and civil discussion. I don't have Ram Air, I have a rotofab. I have wondered how much of a gain there would be switching to like a vararam. I don't like how the MAF(IAT) sensor sits right above the radiator hose on this one. Wish it was moved a bit. That said, I like the looks of the rotofab. And while I like to haul ass as much as anyone (I rip on this car more than anything I've ever had), it's also as much a show car as it is a go car lol. So if it's only a few HP difference, I'll probably stick with what is on there. If it's a big difference, maybe I need to look into making the switch. I am sure this car could use a lot more gear than the 3.91s in it now. However, part of me wants to go with a PD blower at some point, and I would think anything more would just equate to more tire spin. That would sure solve my butt dyno not being happy with the low end in this car though You didn't answer in your reply, but do you happen to have a dyno showing the difference between stock intake and a ported rod mod one on your car? Or one between the ported stocker and the mid runner fast?
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10-18-2018, 04:31 PM | #185 |
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GO-Go i do have 2 dynos but respectively they are on different machines. i used both dynos in the past and they were very close to each other. I will be strapping down to the one I use all the time soon and will post a 3 intake comparison. I do not have a stock intake dyno. I do have a couple stock LS3 intakes but this is getting costly very quick. It would likely take me about 5-6 hours to test 3 intakes on the same day and possibly a bit longer to fairly touch up the tune for each one. I currently have stock rocker arms back on the car and I will need to swap them back to the 1.85s to give apples to apples comparison.
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BOLT ONS TO THE EXTREME, GPI 281cc HEADS, Darth_V8r SPEC CAM, FAST 102 INTAKE, CRANK SCRAPER, QUARTER MASTER 7.25" CLUTCH, RPM 3.90 STAGE II DIF, Z51 Gear Set AND E85 Best ET 10.58 @ 131.8 stock heads and stock cam 453/445 SAE 10.62@134.82 GPI 281CC Heads, SS4 Cam and X1 Intake Best 1/8 6.80@105.75 Best MPH 134.82 |
10-18-2018, 09:20 PM | #186 |
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Go_Go out of curiosity why are you stuck on having acceleration in 6th gear at 65mph? An auto trans wouldn't stay in OD when you accelerate, why should you. You simply downshift to pass. I do get what you are saying about losing down low, you just have to adapt your driving a little to accommodate for the shift in power to the higher RPM's. I was at the same situation you were in and struggled with what intake to get. I recently went with the GPI rod modded, ported and heat shield added intake and I love it. The mid range and the part throttle acceleration really picked up, but I also added the Trick Flow heads too. There is a very in depth test of the rod modded intake vs others, I will see if i can find it and post it. That is what helped me make my decision. I am going to wait till more people post their results before I decide on the LOD or a FAST as I do want to go Twin Turbo in the future.
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10-18-2018, 09:27 PM | #187 |
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10-19-2018, 07:54 AM | #188 |
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This conversation was on my mind while driving last night - so I intentionally did some 6th gear accelerations from low rpms on grades, like sub 55mph speed. Even from 1500rpm with essentially a max effort without valve reliefs cam I could accelerate (albeit not impressively) up grades, while having my wife and son in the car. I think GoGo's experience were based on having the stock 3.45 rear, which makes 6th gear INCREDIBLY long.
13SSCamaro - same experience here with the rod-mod, the midrange hit around 4000-4500 is STRONG. Mine runs out past 7000rpm very respectably as well. The part throttle is wicked as well, it feels like I have a throttle controller set to max on the car, it's just SUPER responsive, always eager to stand right up.
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I'm really not, and I realize it's easy to get around this with a downshift. More just that it was the perfect example to showcase how little power they have down in that range. I know it's a give and take and that some adaptation is expected. I just want to know HOW MUCH either of these may or may not lose down low (and what they gain anywhere as well) before spending money I should not on more go fast parts I would be super bummed to plunk down the money for something like the x1, only to find out it lead to a less enjoyable driving experience than my stock intake, for the style of driving I do and the rest of my car's current setup. Sounds like you are another happy customer with a ported/rod mod stock one! But the heads were probably a lot of the difference as well lol. Really wish there were more tests where that was the only change. I will look into the link you provided and do some reading, maybe it has what I am looking for. Thank you!
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10-19-2018, 11:44 AM | #190 |
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Yall doing it wrong. Go big cam, big stall, big intake, more gearing
I may have tried this intake out if I didn't have my current setup (and it wasn't so expensive). You can see my dyno in the dyno thread, i lost a lot of tq with my intake setup but I'm peaking hp so far into the powerband (in 7000s) that I'm having to spin it more to get the most use. Really interested to see how a few more cars compare |
10-19-2018, 04:31 PM | #191 |
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Well I chatted with Rafael this afternoon at LOD and I will be ordering my intake this weekend. Gonna get the raw aluminum finish so my paint guy can paint match it to my RJT car color. It's going to look great with everything else under the hood that is paint matched. Then it will be on down to my engine builder/tuner for install and tune, then we will see. Hope to have it installed and tuned by mid November, or sooner if I can work it out. So stay tuned guys! My Camaro is a daily so I will put it to the test for all you skeptics out there. lol.. Cheers
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10-19-2018, 07:14 PM | #192 | |
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10-19-2018, 07:58 PM | #193 |
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Hey there, no track times yet as I wanted to put a few thousand miles on the build before I took her over to the track, but also it has been extremely hot over here and my track is in Orlando and it's hotter over there. But cooler weather is coming in the next couple of weeks so I plan on going over. I want to see if the car will run the low 11's like he said it would, just need to get a good 60ft time he said. The car is really quick and she gets it done really fast. She ran 12.68 with just the CAI, ported TB, LT's exhaust and tune at 365rwhp, and now I'm at 460rwhp with the cam and supporting mods. We'll see. And that 12.68 was on street tires.
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10-20-2018, 09:09 AM | #194 |
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12.7 is about stock time BTW, so don't expect miracles. Long runners good for higher HP and shorter if done right build torque also, metal is what it is can heat soak but so can plastic …. Tires and a cam will of course lower your ET if you drive right.... and don't do one of a thousand things wrong like Bawk, Choke, Wheel hop the axle to death, Jump, etc....lol go in with the engine all hot and not ice the intake etc....theres a lot to drag racing right and that's why fun shows like the guys of the 405 on street outlaws are on showing the dialing in the suspension over and over the tuning of the car over and over, the replacing of the springs over and over...lol
I have been subscribed to hearing about the LOD intake since they first showed it and waited all through the Vararam debacle with their never made curved long runner they never made they supposedly had trouble getting a trade mark /patent for...while they could make the ones for COPO's etc..... Said at one time to make them ls7 head capable maybe for the LOD alterations, good to see they are making different alterations for the design as they may be one of the only new things for real besides crappy no design sheet metal types that are devoid of real research much out there for cheap and do make it hard with the firewall...….. As always talk is cheap...… GOOD LUCK and if nothing else it builds mass HP and looks great doing it....and the engine is more healthy for it making its torque that moves you. And you have to take into account the corrections for the weather when it comes to ET... And heat sucks power big time and limits the engine big time ….. Give me colder denser air anytime......
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I too remember the whole vararam debacle and I can say I understand where they were coming from. Much like tuning the 405 cars a million things have to happen right in the correct order to get from concept to execution. We at l.o.d get alot of our drive from our military backgrounds where quitting is not an option (or were just too dumb to quit) also we constantly are trying to improve upon what we have. As result you will see tweaks to the X1 manifold. We appreciate all the feedback we receive good or bad because let's be honest how are you to improve? Stay tuned we have much more coming. -Raf "The yankee" Fischetto |
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