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Because the majority of the American car buying public are idiots and believe all the pr these companies use to push SUVs.
There was a time I was a Honda fan and owned 3 of them. But in the last 10 years before they started cutting them all GM and Ford both were making excellent sedans. The last gen Fusion and current Malibu are every bit as good as the best Camrys and Accords ever made. Maybe better. You ever get a chance to drive a well maintained last gen, fully loaded Fusion I suggest you do. They feel like a small Mercedes. Yes, I’m not kidding or over exaggerating. They’re that good. Just when they finally perfect something and get it right they kill it off. Geeze just get it right the first time and make it the best to start with.
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05-10-2024, 02:27 PM | #46 |
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LOL no one needs to apologize for that.
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Can't recall the last time or if ever I saw an ad on TV for the Malibu. The Equinox is advertised and when the buyer visits the stealership, the sales staff
points them in that direction because they are in stock, big enough without being slobs and are generally affordable. Texas is truck country. Come to the N.E. and they're are plenty of folks who still want a sedan. Pickup trucks, too. Some will say GM did the research and decided that it should go. Likely. But the EV push is at the core and platform/battery share is steering the General in that direction. Time will tell how sales pan out but EVs right now are exceeding 100 day supply. |
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The Fusion was an OK car and it sold well at its peak. It did not feel like a small Mercedes, IMO. It felt like a midsize global Ford to me, and that's not a bad thing. But it's also not a Mercedes. I've driven plenty of them. I would pick the Fusion over a similar year Chrysler 200 any day, and I'd also pick the Fusion over the Malibu. Not sorry: I'd pick a C-class over all of them. That's good info. I was curious if GM has any public plans for the future of the Equinox in its current ICE version. I assume it's NOT going away even though there will also be an EV Equinox? |
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Realistically this is part of the bigger plan that shuts the Malibu plant down for a year. When the plant opens back up the Malibu is a year older. Even the XT4 goes on hiatus. Now when the plant opens back up with the Bolt that likely replaces the Malibu.
Prediction though, look for a Chinese made Hybrid soon. Fun fact. GM imported a Cadillac CT6 hybrid that was a sales bomb from China a few years ago. Another sedan that stayed in production in China after dissapearing from the US.
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Here’s my list of EVs with more than 100 days supply…
Out of that list, the only one that would worry me if I’m a vehicle planner is Lyriq. Mercedes-Benz has a lot of inventory. But even their ICE vehicles that are not built at Tuscaloosa tend to have very high (between 100 - 200 days) inventory.
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One thing that gets lost in this mix is the impact of fuel economy curves. In negotiating the rule making for Car CAFE and Truck CAFE the Detroit 3 were very successfully in negotiating different fuel economy curves for the Car Fleet and the Truck Fleet. The curves for both Car and Truck are based on “shadow area” which can be most easily defined as the area bordered by the tire patches. Readers Digest version is that the Detroit 3 got the regulators to agree that due to rules of physics that cannot be violated, where a Truck and a Car have the same footprint area, the Truck will require more energy to operate than the Car. And therefore, the Truck should have a less stringent fuel economy target than the Car. Remember, this is the Readers Digest version. There’s a lot more involved here. So…If you have a Malibu and an Equinox that have roughly the same “shadow area”, the Equinox will have an easier fuel economy target to hit than the Malibu. And the Equinox has a better profit margin per vehicle sold. So, if you’re GM do you ant to build and sell more Malibu or more Equinox? The choice is clear. This is part of the reason why sedans are dropping out of brand portfolios and utilities are breeding like rabbits. From th manufacturer side. From the consumer side, the utility configuration is far more usable than the sedan. Sedans ma be more stylish (and coupes even more so) but at the end of the day, consumers are purchasing more utilities because they are more useful than similar sized sedans.
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It's also quite an ugly incentive to ignor improving tougher segments, if they think they can manipulate those people elsewhere.
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Only in California and other states aligned with CARB and that’s not until 2030.
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