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OverAnxious · 07-25-2007, 07:20 AM

what a conversation

With the 2007 Z06 Corvette rated at 16/26 MPG those are damn good numbers for the power that car has available.

Making a statement like "refuse to buy a car that will go below my current 24.5 mpg combined std" and having requirements like:

-Sporty/Fun to drive
-High quality
-High performance
-Economical(to some degree)
-Real style, a classic
-Reasonably priced
-Roomy

You are really limiting yourself, You need to define 'High Performace'? Is it better handling? Low end power? Top end Power? All three?

Roomy - and you say you'd buy a Mini? I've been in a Mini a few times, while I am suprised at the legroom (I'm 6' tall), that car is far from "High Performance" and "Roomy"

And yes, quality on quite a few domestics is better than the imports as is MPG.

Jak · 07-25-2007, 08:28 AM

To DerScotsman, don't take this as an offence, but if your thinking of buying a V-8 Camaro your not buying it for gas mileage, it's gonna have depending on what you get 400 + horses, it's a sports car. If it gets the 30 mpg that'll be a bonus.
Personally, I'd be happy with anything around the twentys. My 4.7 Dakota I get 13- 14 local, highway I can get about 21mpg.

stevenm357 · 07-25-2007, 09:31 AM

I don't mean to be dramatical I just get sick of people wanting their zero calorie cake to taste better than the original.

That list of things doesn't come together you have to compromise on some of them. High Performance and economical well those can be had. but roomy. Well no, that adds weight. so economy and performance suffer.

Ok. so not buying european, ford or chrysler. ... unless your going japanese your running out of choices. if you want a lot of mileage get a V6. they will probabally get close 30. but your sacraficing performance.

Looking at todays make up of vehicles. only small cars really get much above 25MPG with average drivers. SUV's don't jeeps don't, trucks.. haha, the automatic camaro probabally won't.... but that too is a compromise.

If ya want an awesome ride ya have to sacrafice some gasoline and a few lunches probabally

selil · 07-25-2007, 09:58 AM

My wife's Scion xB get's about 30MPG city, my Mitsubishi Spyder gets about the same, my Avalanche get's around 17MPG (14 in the winter). My Jeep CJ7 gets 10MPG. The Avalanche and CJ have the biggest motors at 4.2L and 5.3L respectively. They also weigh a lot comparatively.

Technology and fuel choice can effect performance substantially. A 3.9L diesel in my jeep would be the same horsepower plus a little, and the Jeep would get around 28 to 30MPG. Several people have done the conversion and get in that range. One person has swapped a cummins into an Avalanche 2500 and he reports 28MPG. There are trade offs and many people wouldn't be found in an oil burner to save their life.

The hybrid craze is crazy. You're going to cut fuel consumption to save the environment and swap out a couple hundred pounds of lead and other nasty poisons in the batteries "and off to the land fill with them". Icky.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of performance and efficiency they get out of the Camaro. Those two are not necessarily separate. A good engine fuel/power map tuned to American roads and driving style can get the engine right. You don't have to just dump raw gas into the intake to make power. That being said there is only so much you're going to do with the size of reciprocating mass in a standard V8. If you want better efficiency you'd have to go to a wankel motor or other rotary stuffer to get more HP/Efficiency for the same amount of fuel.

izwar · 07-25-2007, 02:22 PM

with the way i will be driving the camaro the first few months ill probably be getting about 5 MPG

JeepinMatt · 07-25-2007, 03:24 PM

Reminds me of an episode of American Hot Rod. The customer wanted a '63 split window Sting Ray with over 1000 HP and world class handling. He also wanted it with A/C, a full custom interior, and luxury items rivaling a Bentley. Simply put, he wanted a lightweight, Ferrari-class handling, Top Fuel dragster accelerating, Rolls Royce. The team kept arguing that it was just not gonna happen

Scotsman · 07-25-2007, 04:00 PM

I think a lot of you have gone way way off on the depend end in this discussion. It's not a lot I'm asking for in actuality, especially considering how much more advanced automotive technology has become, we don't live in the 90's anymore, auto tech is in a whole nother time and place. I put this same question/concern to FBodFather via PM on CamaroZ28 and here's what he had to say:

Quote:

First, let me say that I'm very appreciative for your participation here, you're apart of the excitement that motivates us in being Camaro enthusiasts.

My question is this, and I'm NOT asking for any privileged info, more so insight:

My current car gets about 24.5 mpg combined, I don't think I'd be comfortable going below that in the future given how things are with gas prices right now. Would holding the new Camaro(std. V8 option) to that standard be unreasonable? I sure hope I wouldn't be asking a whole lot, but I have faith in GM.

Hi!

A very good question. As you probaby know, the U.S. Government has changed how we rate MPG -- but I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the fuel economy of all new Camaro powertrains -- we don't have final figures because we are still working on the engineering and validation of the Camaro -- but from what I do know -- we'll once again be a leader in terms of both performace -- fuel economy -- and tailpipe emissions -- just as the 4th gen car was!

JWz28 · 07-25-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerScotsman

I refuse to buy a car that will go below my current 24.5 mpg combined std.

You should look at the Lotus Elise.

http://www.lotuscars.com/ExigeS.aspx

· 0-60 mph 4.1 sec

· 0-100 mph 11 sec

· Top Speed 148 mph

· Fuel Consumption 23 City / 29 Highway

· Curb Weight 2077 lbs

Not a bad package and you won't see one everyday either.

Not being critical, but I am not suprised by the reaction.... I don't believe that the vast majority of Camaro fans are as sensitive to MPGs as you appear to be.

Good luck with your search

JWz06.

The_Stache · 07-25-2007, 05:21 PM

DerScotsman its not that we are going over the deep end, it is whats been stated over and over, yes technology is better, yes chances are it will be in that ball park, BUT if the sole factor is gas mileage is the reason to buy or not to buy then we are saying be prepared (Just incase not becuase of any facts) to be disapointed.

That way your either prepared to not buy it OR you get a surprise.

Personaly I think the base v8 option will get in the 25ish MPG range if driven conservativly. But again its all just opinion.

As a source of reference though check out fuel economy.gov and pull up sporty cars and pick away

Scotsman · 07-25-2007, 06:32 PM

Think a lot of you are missing the point of my concern, I don't care so much about city driving or highway driving, but what I get out of the combined cycle, which I'd hope for anyone, would matter most. I do a lot of highway/street driving in equal proportion. At this point I'm not to concerned about what the Camaro V8 will get, because I'm pretty dead cert that this will be indeed, my next car. Beyond that I trust GM to get the job done to the absolute best of their ability, and I know they will. I refuse to go for some dingy, pin head, econ box- the MINI is in a class of it's own where this is concerned as well as the MKV GTI and R32- but I'm not looking to put my money in a money pit. Something the 5th gen most certainly won't be.

Silverado · 07-25-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWz28

You should look at the Lotus Elise.

http://www.lotuscars.com/ExigeS.aspx

· 0-60 mph 4.1 sec

· 0-100 mph 11 sec

· Top Speed 148 mph

· Fuel Consumption 23 City / 29 Highway

· Curb Weight 2077 lbs

Not a bad package and you won't see one everyday either.

Not being critical, but I am not suprised by the reaction.... I don't believe that the vast majority of Camaro fans are as sensitive to MPGs as you appear to be.

Good luck with your search

JWz06.

True, but you missed out on a couple of his requirements.....reasonably priced ($50K for that little car isn't really reasonable) and roomy. The Lotus makes the Miata seem spacious. Plus, unless you run at the track all day, the Lotus' ride is terrible. There is a guy in town here running around in one, and every time I see him, I think his teeth must be falling out his head from that harsh ride.

I will give you the rest though...high performance, high style, good mpg...not to mention easy to park/manuever.

JeepinMatt · 07-25-2007, 09:47 PM

Well the Elise doesn't have nearly the power that the Exige S has. I thought the Exige cost a lot more?

CMCVette · 07-25-2007, 09:53 PM

Well, my daily driver 04 Vette averages 22-23mph in traffic, which is a good sign the Camaro will do well in this domain, too. Also, if you cost out 22-23 mph vs 25-26 mpg, you don't come out with much of a difference for a year, do you? If you want to save gas, you can't beat a Prius! I can't wait to see the new Camaros hit showrooms- may be the first car that'll make me consider parting with my vette- - the allure of the classic muscle car!!!

JeepinMatt · 07-26-2007, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMCVette

If you want to save gas, you can't beat a Prius!

Not necessarily. I can remember plenty of econo cars from 10-20 years ago that met or beat it's mileage numbers. Also, I believe that the VW diesels have consistently bettered its numbers. The Prius is an image car, for some of its owners but definitely Toyota. The batteries aren't recyclable (to the best of my knowledge) and they'll need replacing a few times before a diesel needs to be replaced. As for emissions, you could convert it to run on biodiesel.

07-25-2007, 07:20 AM	#15
OverAnxious Drives: 1967 RS/SS L78 Coupe Join Date: May 2006 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 799	what a conversation With the 2007 Z06 Corvette rated at 16/26 MPG those are damn good numbers for the power that car has available. Making a statement like "refuse to buy a car that will go below my current 24.5 mpg combined std" and having requirements like: -Sporty/Fun to drive -High quality -High performance -Economical(to some degree) -Real style, a classic -Reasonably priced -Roomy You are really limiting yourself, You need to define 'High Performace'? Is it better handling? Low end power? Top end Power? All three? Roomy - and you say you'd buy a Mini? I've been in a Mini a few times, while I am suprised at the legroom (I'm 6' tall), that car is far from "High Performance" and "Roomy" And yes, quality on quite a few domestics is better than the imports as is MPG. __________________ Joe Over Anxious - 1967 Camaro RS/SS L78 5th Gen Camaro BLOG // My eBay auctions

07-25-2007, 09:31 AM	#17
stevenm357 Drives: 98 Trans am 00 Trans am 01 corvette Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 381	I don't mean to be dramatical I just get sick of people wanting their zero calorie cake to taste better than the original. That list of things doesn't come together you have to compromise on some of them. High Performance and economical well those can be had. but roomy. Well no, that adds weight. so economy and performance suffer. Ok. so not buying european, ford or chrysler. ... unless your going japanese your running out of choices. if you want a lot of mileage get a V6. they will probabally get close 30. but your sacraficing performance. Looking at todays make up of vehicles. only small cars really get much above 25MPG with average drivers. SUV's don't jeeps don't, trucks.. haha, the automatic camaro probabally won't.... but that too is a compromise. If ya want an awesome ride ya have to sacrafice some gasoline and a few lunches probabally __________________ 2001 Corvette Heads,Big cam, 4:11, Custom Exhaust, MGW Shifter Baer Eradispeed +2 2 pieces rotors, Hotchkiss swaybars. and a few other little things. 1998 Trans Am A4 ( was STS turbo until the turbo and oil pump died) 2000 WS6 Trans AM under the knife ( sadly turned into long term project.

07-25-2007, 05:21 PM	#23
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,800 View My Garage	DerScotsman its not that we are going over the deep end, it is whats been stated over and over, yes technology is better, yes chances are it will be in that ball park, BUT if the sole factor is gas mileage is the reason to buy or not to buy then we are saying be prepared (Just incase not becuase of any facts) to be disapointed. That way your either prepared to not buy it OR you get a surprise. Personaly I think the base v8 option will get in the 25ish MPG range if driven conservativly. But again its all just opinion. As a source of reference though check out fuel economy.gov and pull up sporty cars and pick away __________________ A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money Owner : Fast-Stache Industries LLC

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07-25-2007, 08:28 AM	#16
Jak Drives: 03 Dodge Dakota Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 627	To DerScotsman, don't take this as an offence, but if your thinking of buying a V-8 Camaro your not buying it for gas mileage, it's gonna have depending on what you get 400 + horses, it's a sports car. If it gets the 30 mpg that'll be a bonus. Personally, I'd be happy with anything around the twentys. My 4.7 Dakota I get 13- 14 local, highway I can get about 21mpg.

07-25-2007, 09:58 AM	#18
selil Drives: Chevy Avalanche Join Date: May 2007 Location: On the lake Posts: 50	My wife's Scion xB get's about 30MPG city, my Mitsubishi Spyder gets about the same, my Avalanche get's around 17MPG (14 in the winter). My Jeep CJ7 gets 10MPG. The Avalanche and CJ have the biggest motors at 4.2L and 5.3L respectively. They also weigh a lot comparatively. Technology and fuel choice can effect performance substantially. A 3.9L diesel in my jeep would be the same horsepower plus a little, and the Jeep would get around 28 to 30MPG. Several people have done the conversion and get in that range. One person has swapped a cummins into an Avalanche 2500 and he reports 28MPG. There are trade offs and many people wouldn't be found in an oil burner to save their life. The hybrid craze is crazy. You're going to cut fuel consumption to save the environment and swap out a couple hundred pounds of lead and other nasty poisons in the batteries "and off to the land fill with them". Icky. It'll be interesting to see what kind of performance and efficiency they get out of the Camaro. Those two are not necessarily separate. A good engine fuel/power map tuned to American roads and driving style can get the engine right. You don't have to just dump raw gas into the intake to make power. That being said there is only so much you're going to do with the size of reciprocating mass in a standard V8. If you want better efficiency you'd have to go to a wankel motor or other rotary stuffer to get more HP/Efficiency for the same amount of fuel.

07-25-2007, 02:22 PM	#19
izwar Drives: Silver Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 30	with the way i will be driving the camaro the first few months ill probably be getting about 5 MPG

07-25-2007, 03:24 PM	#20
JeepinMatt Drives: '99 Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 201	Reminds me of an episode of American Hot Rod. The customer wanted a '63 split window Sting Ray with over 1000 HP and world class handling. He also wanted it with A/C, a full custom interior, and luxury items rivaling a Bentley. Simply put, he wanted a lightweight, Ferrari-class handling, Top Fuel dragster accelerating, Rolls Royce. The team kept arguing that it was just not gonna happen

07-25-2007, 06:32 PM	#24
Scotsman Auto Pilot Drives: Gunmetal Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 1,307	Think a lot of you are missing the point of my concern, I don't care so much about city driving or highway driving, but what I get out of the combined cycle, which I'd hope for anyone, would matter most. I do a lot of highway/street driving in equal proportion. At this point I'm not to concerned about what the Camaro V8 will get, because I'm pretty dead cert that this will be indeed, my next car. Beyond that I trust GM to get the job done to the absolute best of their ability, and I know they will. I refuse to go for some dingy, pin head, econ box- the MINI is in a class of it's own where this is concerned as well as the MKV GTI and R32- but I'm not looking to put my money in a money pit. Something the 5th gen most certainly won't be.

07-25-2007, 09:47 PM	#26
JeepinMatt Drives: '99 Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 201	Well the Elise doesn't have nearly the power that the Exige S has. I thought the Exige cost a lot more?

07-25-2007, 09:53 PM	#27
CMCVette Drives: 04 Commemorative Corvette Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas Posts: 9	Well, my daily driver 04 Vette averages 22-23mph in traffic, which is a good sign the Camaro will do well in this domain, too. Also, if you cost out 22-23 mph vs 25-26 mpg, you don't come out with much of a difference for a year, do you? If you want to save gas, you can't beat a Prius! I can't wait to see the new Camaros hit showrooms- may be the first car that'll make me consider parting with my vette- - the allure of the classic muscle car!!!