09-27-2010, 09:50 AM | #113 |
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Look at this article....http://www.examiner.com/autos-in-det...ealer-brochure
Dodge is actually going to try and be as fast as the new Z/28 Camaro based on rumors of it having the CTS-V's LSA engine. They act like they are going to try and top it with this new 392. Whats funny though is that they dont' even have a clue as to what GM is doing with the car exactly they are just going on rumors as GM hasnt stated what engine it will have or anything yet. Not to mention the Camaro already has a weight advantage over the Challenger even with extra horsepower it wont help them much unless they lose significant weight. The Z/28 may very well even be the lightest 5th gen Camaro. I still expect the Challenger to come in dead last even with the updated engines across the board since im sure the SS will be updated maybe even the V6. |
09-27-2010, 02:16 PM | #114 | |
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Your argument for TC making cars faster is that people can post better lap times. But the method by which the times are improved is by the elimination of a negative (wheel spin). Wheel spin makes you go slower. We agree on that. Traction control eliminates wheel spin. We agree on that. Therefore, it prevents you from going slower. Somehow, you disagree and think it makes the car faster. It does not add to the performance of a car, it stops something else from taking away performance. To me, saying that the TC makes a car faster is a lot like saying that you earn more money because you've paid off a mortgage or car loan, based soley on the fact that you have more money available to you. But of course you're not earning more, you've merely eliminated a negative (in this case, loan payments).
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09-27-2010, 03:02 PM | #115 |
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lets see how much the 392 HEMI is underrated as the article says. the first MDS system was on a 1962 tempest. pontiac took a 389 and cut it in half to make a slant 4 cylinder. i have a buddy with one.
it seems to be agreed in SRT forums that at 360-369 rwhp the SRT8 6.1 hemi automatic is underrated. they figure it makes 430-450hp, a 5-25hp underating, and that the 6.4 is really a 500hp engine. if thats the case a 6.4 srt auto should make another 41 rwhp, ranging from (401rwhp) <----yep to 410rwhp<----nope. i guess the losses are steep for the drivetrain. they figure 369rwhp is 430-450 crank. i figure its 369 rwhp. my math is done with rwhp. too bad the camaro SS auto isnt 426 rated. an auto 2011gt usually makes 355rwhp from an automatic. about 14rwhp less. guess it makes 436hp according to SRT math. if it does make 500hp and 430-440rwhp it will be newsworthy, and i will apologize to dodge.
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and it took 30 years for the LS to come along and be slower than a 1964 galaxie with a 427 high riser. (12 second with tires). and a very heavy car. Quote:
you see how it sounds when you say "my 9 year old car is just as fast"? a 1964 galaxie 427 is faster than all of our stock cars. its irrelevant.
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09-28-2010, 08:26 PM | #119 |
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Nobody else produces a V8 off the shelf that has 550hp so I'd say pretty darn good.
Oh no, the dreaded vette "card". I know it's bitter when someone does it, but it definitely trumps all, and pisses all off too. Aspirated engines FTW. All engines should be aspirated, do low 12s and get 10mpg Just can't see why aspirated cars don't sell very well. It's a mystery. |
09-28-2010, 10:59 PM | #120 |
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Not to nitpick, but it's 'naturally aspirated' or 'forced induction.' Not aspirated and not aspirated
But yeah, discussion... please continue I think this should be less of a pissing contest and more of a 'Wow, it rules that car manufacturers are competing so much... I win as a result!'
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09-28-2010, 11:04 PM | #121 | |
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The ls1 f-bodies were faster than a 03/04 Cobra and GT500. Just for a hint. The 03/04 Cobra still posted times faster than we have seen out of the 2011 GT and 5th gens. |
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09-28-2010, 11:24 PM | #122 | |
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Then again, we can look at what the 5.0 did originally with the TPI motors GM was running. The LB9 and L98 f-bodies were slower than the foxbody stangs by a bit, so GM came out with the LT1 and ruled for a while. Bottom line, guys: it's a game of back and forth. While I don't see the original 5.0 (or even the terminator engine) being groundbreaking (terminators have problems, or so I hear... although some poeple made crazy power with the cars). I think the LS series engines really kind of revolutionized what performance was about when they came out--especially since they were so mild when you wanted them to be and got great economy for such performance... but it's possible Ford is doing something similar with the Coyote motor now. Not that I'll ever own one I'm still a GM fanboi, but more just because they're my style. I guess, give credit where credit is due. No one is playing 'catch-up' this time on either end. It's a constant battle. Just be glad that the big 3 all have competetive performance options so you can get what you like.
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Definitely.
I have always loved the LS1 f-bodies. The LS series engines are definitely among the best small blocks every built. |
09-29-2010, 05:20 AM | #124 | |
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That's totally irrelevant, your comparing 40 years difference vs 3 lol....it took that long to bring horsepower back because of emission laws and what not, the 2002 camaro and 2005 mustang had to meet the same emission laws, and then ford kept the 4.6 in the mustang until 2010, the point I was making is they didn't change their engine until the new camaro and challenger came out. Gee I wonder why its faster? You are comparing forced induction vs Naturally aspirated, I was talking The N/A motors, and the price difference between a camaro ss and a svt cobra was almost 10 grand US and even more here in canada, I know because my grandfather has a svt cobra and never mind the gt500 price gap between a 2002 SS is massive, I was comparing SS vs GT.
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Good natured owner rivalry is great and we all win when we get to drive the car we love. competition is good for everyone in that (hopefully) quality increases and prices decrease. In my opinion the new V6 Challenger will be a big step up for new SE owners but I doubt performance increases will be phenomenal
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