PWA "The Lounge" PART 2

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by ibeck

Done working for the day. Gonna chill by the pool then grab some posters to decorate the house with.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Justin beiber posters?

[ibeck]

No nekkid playboy girls and need a pong table

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by ibeck

No nekkid playboy girls and need a pong table

You have issues.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by ibeck

Man I want a tune, but don't wanna lose my warranty.

quit being a pansy.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

F the warranty.

this.

Originally Posted by badgebunny

1. you have the stock tune on the computer.
2. as long as you put it back there is no way for them to tell if the computer has been reflashed.

Bull F'ing Sh!*

all the aftermarket tuners out there claim to be able to "hide" their tunes.

the trick is, GM looks at more than just the flash counter.

cus there's some tuners whose software reverts the flash counter back to what it was originally, but they dont realize that there are other ways for GM to see how many times the PCM has been accessed. the flash counter is just the easiest way

Originally Posted by badgebunny

Have you heard of any V6s breaking anything with a trifecta tune?
Have you heard of any V6's breaking?


Um I haven't heard of this. Idk if this holds true with our computers.

while the computers arent physically the same, GM's warranty program and their tuning priniciples are the same.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

GM has no tools to tell if the v6 camaro has had an aftermarket tune, because they just don't give a damn.

And anyway, you don't have any mods do you? Are you auto or manual?

GM can see if you've tuned a v6. its just not as common to break a v6 hard enough for the dealer to need to investigate further.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

I wouldn't even tune a car unless it has at least long tube headers.

and an intake.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

LMAO!!!

Originally Posted by badgebunny

How am I gonna blow my transmission with just headers and exhaust? lol.

And I swore they said they had no way to check the reflash history. That they could only tell if the current tune is stock or not with our system.

well, theoretically.... the extra power level your engine is making will then be transmitted thru the transmission. as such the transmission will wear faster than normal. now, "faster than normal" could be 100,000 miles vs 120k. or it could be 10k miles.

just depends.


and I will guarantee you that damn near every tuner on here will say that you can revert your car to stock to go to the dealer. and while thats true, GM can still see it. the trick is that most people's cars dont break hard enough for GM to need to go that far into the computer

Originally Posted by badgebunny

I'm so confused. Everyone in the V6 section says they can't tell how many times its been reflashed.

how many of those members in the V6 section have dealt directly with the people that wrote the software for the ECM?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Here is just one post from devildoc.

devildoc got his info from the technician and the manager at the dealership who dont know a rats ass about what GM cares about.

he should ask them about how much power the ZL1 is going to have and if he can order it in Hugger Orange

this isnt an issue dealing solely with dealers. for most major warranty claims (blown engine/trans, etc) it requires a review by upper levels at GM (not top-tier CEO's, but higher than the manager at the dealership)
thats where the issue comes into play with the tune.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Justin beiber posters?

[ibeck]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

You have issues.

Don't we all?

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

quit being a pansy.

this.

Bull F'ing Sh!*

all the aftermarket tuners out there claim to be able to "hide" their tunes.

the trick is, GM looks at more than just the flash counter.

cus there's some tuners whose software reverts the flash counter back to what it was originally, but they dont realize that there are other ways for GM to see how many times the PCM has been accessed. the flash counter is just the easiest way



while the computers arent physically the same, GM's warranty program and their tuning priniciples are the same.



GM can see if you've tuned a v6. its just not as common to break a v6 hard enough for the dealer to need to investigate further.

and an intake.


LMAO!!!


well, theoretically.... the extra power level your engine is making will then be transmitted thru the transmission. as such the transmission will wear faster than normal. now, "faster than normal" could be 100,000 miles vs 120k. or it could be 10k miles.

just depends.


and I will guarantee you that damn near every tuner on here will say that you can revert your car to stock to go to the dealer. and while thats true, GM can still see it. the trick is that most people's cars dont break hard enough for GM to need to go that far into the computer


how many of those members in the V6 section have dealt directly with the people that wrote the software for the ECM?

Well I'm just repeating what we have been told by the guys who have modded on the V6s and their corrispondance with Vince.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

Well I'm just repeating what we have been told by the guys who have modded on the V6s and their corrispondance with Vince.

and how many of them have broken their cars and have gone to the dealer with major repairs?

that statement is exactly why I left LS1tech.com too many nuthuggers that see one guy go halfway fast and they all copy his setup and wonder why they get stomped at the track or wonder why they aren't faster than anyone else.

Trust me, GM can see it. do they care as much for V6 issues compared to V8? no.

GM doesnt need a new software program to see it. they wrote the software in the ECM to begin with. if someone changes something, they'll know. even if a "visual" counter can be reset, the other ones can't.

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

and how many of them have broken their cars and have gone to the dealer with major repairs?

None that I know of. But I know one of them had a friend at the dealer and he took it in or asked him about it, it was awhile ago.

that statement is exactly why I left LS1tech.com too many nuthuggers that see one guy go halfway fast and they all copy his setup and wonder why they get stomped at the track or wonder why they aren't faster than anyone else.

Trust me, GM can see it. do they care as much for V6 issues compared to V8? no.

GM doesnt need a new software program to see it. they wrote the software in the ECM to begin with. if someone changes something, they'll know. even if a "visual" counter can be reset, the other ones can't.

Hmmmmmm. Well I haven't seen any V6s with problems so I'm not gonna worry about it.

[PoorMansCamaro]

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[PoorMansCamaro]

[bossbunny]

HELL YEAH! #1!!!

[helmincamaro]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

HELL YEAH! #1!!!

hey, I'm in the top 15! Never would have guessed

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

None that I know of. But I know one of them had a friend at the dealer and he took it in or asked him about it, it was awhile ago.

Hmmmmmm. Well I haven't seen any V6s with problems so I'm not gonna worry about it.

again... most all dealers are full of shit when it comes to half the stuff they spout. there's a reason we have this smiley

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

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