ZL1 Controversy ensues at my work place =)

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by chain777

Well, if your idea of "basically no mods" means adding about 100 horsepower and doing suspension mods and tires to hook up, then yeah, it's a 13 second car. I don't consider thousands of dollars in mods basically none.

Take a look at this 1/4 mile calculator (the car weighed about 3300 pounds, so with a driver race weight would be about 3400 and change, and it had 225 flywheel horsepower) and this old Road and Track article and explain how this is a 13 second car with basically no mods.

I'll call your , and raise you a

http://robrobinette.com/et.htm

http://www.thirdgen.org/rt_october19...s_camaro_irocz

I don't race websites.....I owned the cars and ran the times. A notch is about 2750 lbs without a driver and you could pump that 225 up with a bit of a tune up. Combine it with some ice cold north east air, some drag radials and a stick shift and yep THAT just happened.



Look at this Road and Track article.....lol.

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

try telling that to Blue-Maro.

MARO??

Yeah but it doesnt take a genius to see that the new 12 ZL1 will be faster than ANY current factory built Mustang aside from the Cobra Jet but thats a drag car which is no comparison to this car. We know that NO current Mustang can run a time that fast around the Nurburgring, we know that GM was testing the current Shelby GT500 against the ZL1 and the ZL1 is faster than the current Shelby because the Shelby right now cant gain ANY tractiont to its tires and put the power down to the wheels while the ZL1 has PTM for no problem there with launches.

Of course the ZL1 is faster than the 5.0 thats common sense two totally different cars priced differently. All that leaves is the Boss 302 and we know that the ZL1 will be faster there too since it has more torque & power plus the magnetic ride suspension which is better than the Boss's. So theres your proof before any of the tests are even done that its faster. Heck the ZL1 ran a faster time than a Ford GT at Nurburgring. Basically the ZL1 isnt your average Camaro or pony car for that matter its pretty much a super car in Camaro clothing which is something the Mustang doesnt have at the moment.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Yeah but it doesnt take a genius to see that the new 12 ZL1 will be faster than ANY current factory built Mustang aside from the Cobra Jet but thats a drag car which is no comparison to this car. We know that NO current Mustang can run a time that fast around the Nurburgring, we know that GM was testing the current Shelby GT500 against the ZL1 and the ZL1 is faster than the current Shelby because the Shelby right now cant gain ANY tractiont to its tires and put the power down to the wheels while the ZL1 has PTM for no problem there with launches.

Of course the ZL1 is faster than the 5.0 thats common sense two totally different cars priced differently. All that leaves is the Boss 302 and we know that the ZL1 will be faster there too since it has more torque & power plus the magnetic ride suspension which is better than the Boss's. So theres your proof before any of the tests are even done that its faster. Heck the ZL1 ran a faster time than a Ford GT at Nurburgring. Basically the ZL1 isnt your average Camaro or pony car for that matter its pretty much a super car in Camaro clothing which is something the Mustang doesnt have at the moment.

How old are you? You sound like a teenage crying dude.

FORD has NOT released the GT500 numbers, so you crying about it not having traction and cannot run faster is stupid, and you sound like a baby.

Sure, the ZL1 looks good on paper, but, has it the streets yet? No. GM can't even give everyone a price. Some people are still speculating it will be a bottom 40K car, others have posted that GM said MSRP was $58,000, etc. Goes to show no one really knows.

Do you road race your car? Is the ring time the most important key factor to blindly say, "yup, the ZL1 ran this time around the ring, it is clearly better in every way than any Mustang CURRENTLY Produce, and faster."

Again, wait until Ford releases their numbers, and also wait until the paper form of the ZL1 is hitting the streets.

I can bet you $100 bucks that the 2045 GT500 will be faster than the 2008 Bugatti Veyron. I just can, so don't ask why...

Compare apples to apples. The 5.0 runs with the new M3, which out handles the SS @ the ring. The current 2011 GT500 does not have a "time" yet from the ring. So, you can't compare one thing to something that isn't even there yet.

[BATMANs]

Why wouldn't the ZL-1 with it's fat contact patch and magneto suspension out handle a Stang?

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by Grabber

How old are you? You sound like a teenage crying dude.

FORD has NOT released the GT500 numbers, so you crying about it not having traction and cannot run faster is stupid, and you sound like a baby.

Sure, the ZL1 looks good on paper, but, has it the streets yet? No. GM can't even give everyone a price. Some people are still speculating it will be a bottom 40K car, others have posted that GM said MSRP was $58,000, etc. Goes to show no one really knows.

Do you road race your car? Is the ring time the most important key factor to blindly say, "yup, the ZL1 ran this time around the ring, it is clearly better in every way than any Mustang CURRENTLY Produce, and faster."

Again, wait until Ford releases their numbers, and also wait until the paper form of the ZL1 is hitting the streets.

I can bet you $100 bucks that the 2045 GT500 will be faster than the 2008 Bugatti Veyron. I just can, so don't ask why...

Compare apples to apples. The 5.0 runs with the new M3, which out handles the SS @ the ring. The current 2011 GT500 does not have a "time" yet from the ring. So, you can't compare one thing to something that isn't even there yet.

Yeah but according to all the results that have pitted the current GT500 against the current CTS-V the CTS-V is faster. And as we all know the ZL1 uses the same engine as the CTS-V BUT the ZL1 is lighter than the CTS-V so what do you expect is going to happen??? Take a lighter car, add more horsepower & torque than a car that already beats the GT500 and of course its going to be faster. Track & road racing are very important to this segment of car and its one that Chevrolet have taken seriously so now Ford will be forced to take it more serious. Last I checked comparing cars the way they are wasnt acting like a teenager thats just telling it like it is whether you like it or not. I cant wait for motor trend & all the others to start putting their ZL1 videos up then people like you wont have anything else to say but admit its currently faster.

[Ravener]

watch the 1st movie again..I think you missed the bad ass black and white one.

WOW...how on earth did I forget about Barricade...? Killer Saleen S281...somehow I remebered him as a charger Maybe the pushbars and toys made it look blockier...my bad

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Yeah but according to all the results that have pitted the current GT500 against the current CTS-V the CTS-V is faster. And as we all know the ZL1 uses the same engine as the CTS-V BUT the ZL1 is lighter than the CTS-V so what do you expect is going to happen??? Take a lighter car, add more horsepower & torque than a car that already beats the GT500 and of course its going to be faster. Track & road racing are very important to this segment of car and its one that Chevrolet have taken seriously so now Ford will be forced to take it more serious. Last I checked comparing cars the way they are wasnt acting like a teenager thats just telling it like it is whether you like it or not. I cant wait for motor trend & all the others to start putting their ZL1 videos up then people like you wont have anything else to say but admit its currently faster.

You do realize you are bench racing with a car that isn't even out on the streets, and the competition has not released it's true performance number around the ring, right?

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Yeah but according to all the results that have pitted the current GT500 against the current CTS-V the CTS-V is faster. And as we all know the ZL1 uses the same engine as the CTS-V BUT the ZL1 is lighter than the CTS-V so what do you expect is going to happen??? Take a lighter car, add more horsepower & torque than a car that already beats the GT500 and of course its going to be faster. Track & road racing are very important to this segment of car and its one that Chevrolet have taken seriously so now Ford will be forced to take it more serious. Last I checked comparing cars the way they are wasnt acting like a teenager thats just telling it like it is whether you like it or not. I cant wait for motor trend & all the others to start putting their ZL1 videos up then people like you wont have anything else to say but admit its currently faster.

Im not posotive but it seems like I remember seeing the 2011 or 2012 GT500 beat the CTS if thats the case then you are only half right

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by Grabber

You do realize you are bench racing with a car that isn't even out on the streets, and the competition has not released it's true performance number around the ring, right?

Yeah but im talking about the CURRENT GT500 that is out on the market that the ZL1 is for sure faster than. NOT the new 13 GT500 we dont have much to go on the new one as far as that goes. I never said it was faster than the upcoming GT500. I said it is faster than all CURRENT Mustangs not FUTURE Mustangs lol. Where anybody got me confused about talking about the new one I dont know

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Yeah but im talking about the CURRENT GT500 that is out on the market that the ZL1 is for sure faster than. NOT the new 13 GT500 we dont have much to go on the new one as far as that goes. I never said it was faster than the upcoming GT500. I said it is faster than all CURRENT Mustangs not FUTURE Mustangs lol. Where anybody got me confused about talking about the new one I dont know

Again, the ring times for the CURRENT 2011-2012 GT500 have not been released. Therefore, you do not know if it handles better or is faster.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...cadillac-cts-v

[Blue Maro Demon]

Guess you remember this too right then?

[chain777]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Late 80s and early 90s Fox Body cars were running 12s....off the floor.....kind of like SS cars today.....15 years later.

Originally Posted by HufferSS

You can find videos of just about anything....doesn't make it true. Bone stock Fox Bodies were capable of running 12s out of the box...at least the 87 and up ones could.

They ran remarkably similar times to SS cars today....but it was 15 years ago. Love em or hate em that's fine but the facts are the facts.

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Out of the box...untouched and in the hands of a capable driver....mid to 13s........mildly modded with drag radials....12s....

Raise whatever flag you want.....but seems similar to SS times.

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I owned an 88 and a 93 and they were 13 second cars with basically no mods. If you were running 15s then you were doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I don't race websites.....I owned the cars and ran the times. A notch is about 2750 lbs without a driver and you could pump that 225 up with a bit of a tune up. Combine it with some ice cold north east air, some drag radials and a stick shift and yep THAT just happened.



Look at this Road and Track article.....lol.

Take a look at the progression of what you posted in this thread. You started out proclaiming that the foxbodies where 12 second cars off the showroom floor, running similar times to todays SS.

Then you backpeddle a bit and say they're 13 second cars stock, and run 12's mildly modded (whatever that means) with drag radials.

Then you backpeddle some more and say they're 13 second cars with "basically no mods". We're starting to get closer to the truth...

Finally you finish up with the lightest possible foxbody (thanks stew), tuned, tired and running in mineshaft air to hit your mythical number.

My '88 was a GT 5 speed with 3.08's. If you were in the 14's, you were doing good. The notches could get deeper into the the 14's, but you needed mods to hit 13's. And a LOT of mods to hit 12's.

Those are the facts.

Do you really believe those cars ran anywhere close the times of today's SS and 5.0?

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Guess you remember this too right then?

The GT500 has a better power to weight ratio which is reflected in the trap speeds. Unless Ford plans to do nothing about the traction issues on the 2013, it will undoubtably run a faster et than the 2012, especially with an additional 50 or so horsepower.

I wouldn't be too fast crowing about in winner in this race, we'll know for sure early next year. They'll likely both be 11 second cars, or damn close to it.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by chain777

Take a look at the progression of what you posted in this thread. You started out proclaiming that the foxbodies where 12 second cars off the showroom floor, running similar times to todays SS.

Then you backpeddle a bit and say they're 13 second cars stock, and run 12's mildly modded (whatever that means) with drag radials.

Then you backpeddle some more and say they're 13 second cars with "basically no mods". We're starting to get closer to the truth...

Finally you finish up with the lightest possible foxbody (thanks stew), tuned, tired and running in mineshaft air to hit your mythical number.

My '88 was a GT 5 speed with 3.08's. If you were in the 14's, you were doing good. The notches could get deeper into the the 14's, but you needed mods to hit 13's. And a LOT of mods to hit 12's.

Those are the facts.

Do you really believe those cars ran anywhere close the times of today's SS and 5.0?

Yep...I Know they could. I think most SS cars today are mid 13 second cars off the floor with an average driver.

12s for a Fox Body bone stock is probably pushing it going through the memory banks as I think the car required headers and an X-pipe to get there but low to mid 13s on drag radials yep.....I believe.

IF you don't...then you don't. We can swap posts all day long and all we are doing is wasting time. If your personality demands that you get the last word then post again and I won't answer. You can tell your wife tonight that you were right on the internet today.